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#149582 Post/member ranking system

Posted by island time on 24 February 2015 - 09:38 AM

In an effort to better judge what people think is good content, I have enabled the vote up/vote down ranking system rather than the only positive "like" system. If you like a post, click the green "Up" arrow. If you don't click the red down arrow.


Members and posts consistently achieving very low (especially negative ratings) may have the post removed, and possibly have their posting rights disabled.


What does everyone think of that Idea??



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#149586 Post/member ranking system

Posted by Clipper on 24 February 2015 - 10:12 AM

Sounds awesome - will hopefully formally highlight issues people have with posters (like ones who may have been on the sauce)

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#149446 one down! one to go...

Posted by Clipper on 22 February 2015 - 08:07 AM

Lack of replies means people agree! If they didn't they would reply....like you?

No it doesn't, not by a long long way. Lack of replies is due to lack of desire to engage with you and what rapidly becomes repetitive bullshit. Basically, whether they agree with you or not, people don't care what you think.
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#200086 Show us your boat sailing

Posted by geoff-halo on 25 February 2018 - 09:35 PM

In Karori Rip heading home to Wellington.

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#199021 IOR boats and the death roll

Posted by Priscilla II on 03 February 2018 - 07:05 AM

From SA

From Fritz Kloepfel:

In the late 1980s, I was just getting serious about my love affair with racing sailboats. At an early Key West Race Week I met an interesting character named Larry Ruhland. He was unlike anyone I knew, but he was passionate about racing sailboats. Over the course of the week we became friends and over the next couple years, I invited him to come sail with me in Florida several times. And he did! Eventually, he invited me to come race in the Great Lakes aboard his boat, Dolphin. She was a fabulous old racing boat 54 feet long, with a mast reaching over 80 feet in the air. Big and solidly built, she required a talented crew to show her best. The crew was mostly Larry’s two sons and their friends and relatives. It was an interesting mix of backgrounds and talents, but they made a formidable team.

Larry’s two sons could not have been more different.

Mike was serious, studious and very focused. His hair was trimmed short and his dress was near formal. And he was analytical. Very, very analytical. He was enthralled with technology, information, and calculations. A bit of time spent with Mike could leave you believing that it was possible to THINK your way across the finish line first. And Mike was just the guy to do it. I felt an immediate kinship with him.

Pat was much the opposite. Casually dressed and very casually coiffed, he seemed to care little about the instruments, the technology or the details of strategy and tactics. On our first meeting, he was introduced to me as “Turbo,” a nickname that apparently reached back to his childhood where his mother used to wonder if he were turbocharged as he played around the house. But to me, he seemed the very embodiment of “laid back.” A yin to his brother’s yang.

The Dolphin was a demanding boat, and over the course of the first day and a half, we all took turns driving, spinning the “coffee grinders” to power the winches, and tailing the heavy lines that trimmed the sails. The crew all pitched in. Except for Turbo. Yes, he lent a hand in here and there, but he hadn’t taken the wheel that whole time and had not seemed to contribute much. I had started to wonder, to myself, why we had brought him along. But as it was starting to make me scratch my head the boat began to demand more of us. Well into the second day the wind was building and with it the waves. We were sailing downwind with a big running spinnaker up, and the boat was becoming a handful. The waves would get under the back of the boat and make it skew left or right, and the heavy winds in the sails had us rocking and rolling nearly out of control. The big wheel really needed to be manhandled to keep the boat standing up, and most of the crew were not quite skilled enough to keep it all managed. And, it was a workout. 20 minutes would wear you out, and 30 minutes was all anyone could do. We began to talk about reducing sail and slowing the boat, …not the solution you want when you’re racing. But the wind continued to build, and the waves looked like mountains.

Just when I thought we had no other choice Larry hollered out one word. “Turbo!!!”

And out of the bowels of the boat came Pat. He walked straight to the back of the boat, and without a word he took the wheel. And as though someone had waved a magic wand the boat stopped bucking and jumping. It stopped skidding left and right and pitching like a rodeo bull. Suddenly we were on a straight course, and using the waves to surf the boat along, instead of fighting us. I was flabbergasted. I sat there for some time just watching Turbo drive. I’d never seen anything like it. He seemed at one with the wind and the waves and a veritable part of the boat. Every motion was smooth, and he made it all look effortless. Without my ever voicing the question, Larry leaned over and said, “Now you know.”

Turbo stayed at the wheel for hours, occasionally steering with one hand while he lit a cigarette with the other. He didn’t swivel his head to see the waves. He simply seemed to know where they were coming from. He didn’t fight the boat. He seemed to caress it. The wind was not his opponent, it was his strength. I had never seen it done better, and in all my years of sailing, I never did. Eventually, the wind eased and the waves began to subside, and as the boat once again became controllable (by mere mortals) Pat quietly said, “Anybody want this?” and it was over.
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#195282 This Weekend's Achievements

Posted by Vorpal Blade on 12 November 2017 - 05:01 PM

Got 10 boats towed back into the environment before 10:30 this morning, waited until tide came in, floated off the cradle and went to the mooring only to find it had become an ecosystem all of its own in the last 5 months - there was so much weed growing on it I couldn't pull it up. After an hour of cutting/slashing I made it through to the bridle. 

Here we all are sitting on cradles waiting for the tide to come in....

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#177150 Sailing blog

Posted by Kiwifish on 18 December 2016 - 07:59 AM

BP we went out yesterday, saw a big black yacht and climbed aboard, got yelled at by about 40 screaming school kids!!!!!

I said "I just want to have a shower" as the angry mob threatened violence and chased me off their boat!!!!!

Your boat is called "spirit of New Zealand" isn't it??
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#176888 Kaikoura Wharf.

Posted by Chrisc on 15 December 2016 - 08:02 AM

[quote name="motorbike" post="176870" timestamp="1481735645"]I reckon he'll be just fine, and if you think about it life is for living. This weekend I will be visiting the old folks home which is sadly pretty much a warehouse where younger people put the oldies so life in the 'burbs can continue without having to look after them. Much rather die getting smashed to bits on a lonely grey sea doing the thing I love than sucking porridge through a straw.[/quotaa solo]
Darned right!
I got to be 70 a couple of years ago now and all my life I've wanted to fly, not in Mr. Boeing's finely engineered product but in something a bit more minimalist. I want to get myself a hang glider and I figure now's a good time. My family of course view this with some consternation because of its possible adverse consequences but recognise somewhat reluctantly that I have the right to pursue my dreams.
Therefore I am very strongly in favour of freedom of choice for the individual and I support Shane's right to conduct his voyage as he sees fit, but we must accept thay there may be consequences for all of us. You don't have to like it, but that's the way it is.
We live in a state that 'knows what's best for us' and is determined to protect us from our own percieved silliness by various knee jerk reactions in order to save us from ourselves.
We are surrounded by examples of this, the compulsory wearing of lifejackets being one that affects us directly.
Members will recall that some months ago an elderly gentleman in the South Island was prevented by the authorities from making a solo ocean passage on a variety of pretexts and more recently the voyage of Darius DeWit was interfered with by MNZ who also impounded his vessel due to the lack of what they considered to be his experience and the required safety equipment.
So it would be fair to say that nautical activities are under the spotlight by the do-gooders who I suspect are just itching to legislate the crap out of us.
Go safely Shane. Don't give anyone any reason to mess with us.
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#149739 Dean will be around a while yet.

Posted by island time on 27 February 2015 - 08:28 AM

Back on topic. On the Radio and TV this morning, Dean says he is out of ETNZ.


While I do not dispute the fact that he has had his go, and it is time for him to move on, the way in which this has been handled by ETNZ management is, IMO, abysmal. A year 1 management student would have got this done more professionally.


I feel sorry for Dean, and I'd now like to see him campaign for Olympics or a World Champs, off his own bat.


I also feel that the loss of Dean, possibly to another team, is a big mistake for ETNZ, because of his knowledge of the team and experience. ETNZ may regret this in the future. - And their "offer" to Dean is a joke - how could he possibly accept that in these circumstances? I'd be surprised if Dalton and Barker ever work together again. 


Dalton has dropped another peg in my estimation, and I'm very surprised that Sir Steven Tindal has allowed this to happen.

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#149573 Dean will be around a while yet.

Posted by island time on 24 February 2015 - 08:39 AM

Calm down guys, Ketchup is gone. 180 days revocation of posting rights.

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#180942 Long coastal and offshore race fleets

Posted by DrWatson on 23 February 2017 - 10:26 PM

Sorry that the below seems a bit rambling, but just my thoughts on the matter:





That boat looks to be in pretty good nick. I think that if sailed well, you could do ok, and have a ton of fun. The Didi38 Black Cat just did the Cape to Rio Race - she's a 22 year old plywood boat, home built. She came in 7th on handicap out of 20 something boats (TCF 1.05 or something). If it wasn't for a less than spectacular tactical move earlier on she'd likely have come in better.



I'm quite surprised at the level of agreement here, and I also find myself agreeing with some other posters with whom I'd rarely agree.


So we see a number of issues and broadly these can be broken into 2 groups.


Skipper/crew issues:


  1. no time
  2. no cash
  3. no enthusiasm 


and Boat/organisational issues:


  1. Clubs/organisers not catering to the majority demographic
  2. A focus (perceived?) on dinghy and big boat racing (the snobbery effect?)
  3. Older boats
  4. Regulation (directly related to point 3) caused by risk aversion and shifting of responsibility/blame away from skippers/crew.


No time and no cash is strongly correlated to the era in which we live. The is no doubt, and the numbers show this, that people have to work a lot harder these days to buy the house, which is still considered the main achievement and what people strive for. All other things fall by the wayside in pursuit of this admirable goal. This is not a matter of people's expectations being too high, or a case of a sense of entitlement. The cold hard facts show that housing now is a crap load more expensive than it was in the 70s or 80s (high interest rates aside). Those who work full time jobs for the median wage are now just struggling along. In the 70s/80s, those who worked full time jobs for the median wage still had disposable income. Sure there are exceptions and examples of people who work hard and save and buy their house - but these are exceptions, they are not the rule and they are not a model for what should be achieved nor a model that can be applied to the majority. Disposable cash is at an all time low.

Because of that, yachties likely spend longer working to afford their boats, and that extra time working is time not sailing, time not given to racing a multi day (week) event.


Time poor is also a thing to look at. Especially in relation to age. Who were the skipper/owners of the boats in the big fleets of the 80s 'n 70s? Were they younger or older than those now? I can't be arsed looking for stats to back up my musings here but the median age at which we have children has increased. Time was your kids would be leaving home and fending for themselves when you were 40. Now they're still there when you're 50, and now you're also still helping them with uni fees or whatever. Time was your kids could leave home when they were 17 and get a job and fend for themselves far more easily than they can now. So you get whacked from both sides - you spend more time looking after them, or earning money to help them. And those years when you had more energy are now gone.

Also expectations of what your kids need have dramatically increased. As a kid, there was honestly bugger all spent on us other than food. We wore hand-me-down clothing. Schooling was free. You got a couple of pencils and some empty books and you held on to them. Apparently now, you gotta get your kid a smart phone and pay the connection, which as a kid I would have had to pay myself. So it's about expectations. If those skippers and crew back then had kids, How did they do it? Would you nowadays consider leaving them with their mother as the sole career for a week or 2 while you and your buddies go off to Fiji and back? Did fewer mothers work back then? (honest question) Was it easier back then to do that because you didn't need two full time jobs to pay for everything? Just random thoughts, and not suggesting we should keep our wives at home -  personally I'd like to take mine racing because she's an incredibly competitive person and will stay up all night trimming just to gain a couple of miles.


These things above lead to people not having the enthusiasm to spend their now much more precious time and cash on a week or two of racing where they will be at the back of a fleet and likely not make the cutoff. Far more rewarding to just cruise over to the Barrier for a long weekend, or that summer holiday. You gotta feel valued if you enter an event - and not just have that "also ran" feeling. 


That last point takes us back to organisation.

For events to be successful you have to plan and organise the event around the participants you can get. If you want more participants, you gotta broader the inclusion criteria, and target the population you have and sell them something they want and can afford.


It's an age old business rule - meet the market. I can set up a shop in Murapara selling only Champagne. I'm not likely to sell a lot of Champas but I'd likely sell a lot of Waikato. You gotta aim for what the people want or can do.


The Fastnet organisers are doing it right, IMHO. They cater well for ALL boat types. There are big flashy boats and there are small cheap ones. It causes a sensation simply because there are so many damn boats. I think it's vital that the big boats are there, it helps to dispel the perception that they're all rich pricks. It's all about the sailing and the common enjoyment of sailing, whether you're rich or poor doesn't and shouldn't matter a jot. It's not what you have that makes you a good person, it's who you are and your attitude. 


The Kerikeri race could have been saved, maybe. But it would likely require a lot of energy put into dialogue with not only the 2 boats who paid up and entered but also with those who were considering entering. Those 20 boats that weren't paid up. The answer lies with them. Survey those people, and ask what the reasons were for not signing up fully. I think timing and money and regulations are likely going to be the first 3 reasons given.


What are our expectations?

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#177584 Another ridiculous lifejacket article

Posted by shedman on 23 December 2016 - 11:48 AM

"dickheads will still drown" has to be the nadir of the opposition to safety on the water here. We're talking about human beings who may not be as fully aware of the risks as we'd like them to be. That's no reason to condemn them to death. Disgusting.

Wow Kevin, that's a bit of an OTT reply.  Step back and look at what is being discussed here.  Safety at sea is a process of making good decisions and updating those decisions in response to changes in your environment.  No one here is opposing safety on the water.   What we are discussing here is the proposed punitive enforcement of laws that are inconsistent region to region.  In other words the very bureaucrats that now seek to punitively enforce these laws could not agree on what the law should be!   So they want to gloss over that failure by going straight to a regime of financially harming those who don't meekly comply with whatever rules apply in each region.  
No one is condemning anyone to death.  This is a discussion about how you achieve safety.  It might be useful for you to remind yourself of how blanket fines work.  They are primarily a punishment for being poor.   I would say that if you find someone out in their boat and not wearing PFDs in a situation when wearing PFDs would materially increase safety then some education is in order.  Perhaps something like the old defensive driving course.  You on the other hand think that the best option is to financially harm the person.  A minor annoyance for the wealthy, and a damaging blow to the poor.  If the law that these fines are based on was well written, consistent with what we know about safety, and encouraged instead of discouraged thinking, then it might be OK.   But this is bad law, inconsistent with its objectives, and soon to be badly applied and enforced.  That is what is under discussion.

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#177209 rescue off kaikoura

Posted by John B on 19 December 2016 - 08:32 AM

As for Shane ,... it seems like a very short while ago it was all about how to get a trailer sailer from Coromandel to Barrier, now its up and down the coast and a Cook Straight crossing.... all the way to the land of the giant flightless bird, and a new boat 

 Crew .org should adopt  'im as our mascot, he's living the life while people like me sit at a desk in an industrial area of Auckland .  For 3 more days anyway.

Have a great Christmas Shane .

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#171933 Orakei Moorings

Posted by Terry B on 14 September 2016 - 10:04 AM



ferge's kayaks 


akarana yacht club


and ngati whatua


all made submissions to 'open up' nice, sheltered okahu bay to better their use of it


they don't like the moorings there


or the people who clog up the public facilities using them


the marina also wants permission to expand


the mooring holders did not make any submissions about retaining their moorings


and are now unable to 


as the date for submissions has closed

As Erice states, it isn't just Maori (and there is no s on the end of maori - whether using plural or singular) who want it opened up - but many of you are focussing your wrath just on them. What about Fergie, the marina operator, or the Akarana yacht club?


These are (predominantly) european organisations. Going to call them out, insult them as well are you?


Suggest some of you need a cold hard look in the mirror. 

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#149654 Anchor Connections Warning!

Posted by island time on 25 February 2015 - 02:36 PM

Here is an image of an Anchor swivel, common in NZ, that has failed due to side loading.


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In this case the anchor actually held, but fell off the chain while the anchor was being retrieved!


The problem was side load. These swivels are often incorrectly attached directly to the anchor - there should be a few (3-4) links of chain BETWEEN the anchor and swivel, to ensure it can't get side loading and the boat swings around the anchor.


Do you have a swivel? Is it attached correctly? Maybe you should check?

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#148713 Barker and Dalton should go.

Posted by smithy09 on 08 February 2015 - 12:50 PM

Oh yeah. And our talent pool is shallow and rubbish. Seen the results from the latest ISAF regatta? 2 Golds, and quite a few in the top 10. And that's without Burling and Tuke!!! FFS, what more do you need? Also check out the 29er fleet any weekend and the Starling nationals, where you will see in the region of 150 kids battling it out in New Plymouth at Easter.. Don't get me started on the Opti fleet. FFS, what more do you need?

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#178234 Missing Cat, Dad and little Daughter

Posted by Puff on 11 January 2017 - 09:45 PM

Well I tip my hat to him. Obviously a skilled sailor in a boat more than capable of the trip. But what great story for both of them.

I do understand his frustration, I see both sides every week. Sadly that will detract from a great story.

I'd buy him a beer. those that can't go to izzy bay on a Friday night without filing a trip report or come home early from Kawau because the freezer broke won't understand.
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