Guest Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 anyone used this yet? can get some brightside for about 1/2 price and wondering if it is worth spending the extra for the toplac instead. painting my 3.7 - have undercoated already so anything 2 pack not really an option cheers dan Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 26, 2010 Share Posted July 26, 2010 It is probably just a new label on the same can as the brightside anyway. Ready to be flamed. Link to post Share on other sites
Matty 0 Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 There is nothing wrong with the Brightside but it is a product not being made anymore so if you need to do a touch up getting the same colour will be an issue. Toplac has better UV properties and is more durrable, you can paint Toplac over Brightside without too much hassle so re-coating will be fairly easy. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dry Reach Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Read this! MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET Sales Order: {SalesOrd} TOPLAC ROCHELLE RED MSDS Revision No: F2 -6 MSDS Revision Date: 11/06/2002 EMERGENCY NUMBERS: (800) 424-9300 CHEMTREC (USA) International Paint Inc. 2. HAZARDOUS INGREDIENT INFORMATION CAS No. Ingredient Name & % Source Exposure Data 002786-76-7 2-Naphthalenecarboxamide, 4-[[4-(aminocarbonyl)phenyl] azo]-N-(2-ethoxyphenyl)-3- hydroxy- 1.0 - 10% by Weight OSHA: No Data Available ACGIH: No Data Available NIOSH: No Data Available Supplier: No Data Available OHSA, CAN: No Data Available Mexico: No Data Available Brazil: No Data Available Source Health Data NIOSH: No Data Available Source Carcinogen Data OSHA: Select Carcinogen: No NTP: Known Carcinogen: No; Suspected Carcinogen: No IARC: Group 1: No; Group 2A: No; Group 2b: No; Group 3: No; Group 4: No YKS299_F2 Page 2 of 7 file://C:\tmp\TOUTPUT.HTM 11/18/02 CAS No. Ingredient Name & % Source Exposure Data 008052-41-3 Stoddard solvent 25 - 50% by Weight OSHA: 500 ppm TWA; 2900 mg/m3 TWA ACGIH: 100 ppm TWA NIOSH: 350 mg/m3 TWA1800 mg/m3 Ceiling20,000 mg/m3 IDLH Supplier: No Data Available OHSA, CAN: 525 mg/m3 TWAEV (140 Degree C Flash Aliphatic Solvent) Mexico: 100 ppm TWA; 523 mg/m3 TWA200 ppm STEL; 1050 mg/m3 STEL Brazil: No Data Available Source Health Data NIOSH: Eye nose Source Carcinogen Data OSHA: Select Carcinogen: No NTP: Known Carcinogen: No; Suspected Carcinogen: No IARC: Group 1: No; Group 2A: No; Group 2b: No; Group 3: No; Group 4: No CAS No. Ingredient Name & % Source Exposure Data 064742-88-7 Solvent naphtha (petroleum), medium aliphatic 1.0 - 10% by Weight OSHA: No Data Available ACGIH: No Data Available NIOSH: No Data Available Supplier: No Data Available OHSA, CAN: No Data Available Mexico: No Data Available Brazil: No Data Available Source Health Data NIOSH: No Data Available Source Carcinogen Data OSHA: Select Carcinogen: No NTP: Known Carcinogen: No; Suspected Carcinogen: No IARC: Group 1: No; Group 2A: No; Group 2b: No; Group 3: No; Group 4: No CAS No. Ingredient Name & % Source Exposure Data 064742-95-6 Petroleum naphtha, light aromatic OSHA: No Data Available ACGIH: No Data Available NIOSH: No Data Available Supplier: No Data Available OHSA, CAN: No Data Available Mexico: No Data Available Brazil: No Data Available YKS299_F2 Page 3 of 7 file://C:\tmp\TOUTPUT.HTM 11/18/02 064742 95 6 1.0 - 10% by Weight Source Health Data NIOSH: No Data Available Source Carcinogen Data OSHA: Select Carcinogen: No NTP: Known Carcinogen: No; Suspected Carcinogen: No IARC: Group 1: No; Group 2A: No; Group 2b: No; Group 3: No; Group 4: No CAS No. Ingredient Name & % Source Exposure Data 129757-67-1 Decanedioic acid, bis(2,2,6,6- tetramethyl-4-piperidinyl) ester, reaction products with tert-Bu hydroperoxide and octane 1.0 - 10% by Weight OSHA: No Data Available ACGIH: No Data Available NIOSH: No Data Available Supplier: No Data Available OHSA, CAN: No Data Available Mexico: No Data Available Brazil: No Data Available Source Health Data NIOSH: No Data Available Source Carcinogen Data OSHA: Select Carcinogen: No NTP: Known Carcinogen: No; Suspected Carcinogen: No IARC: Group 1: No; Group 2A: No; Group 2b: No; Group 3: No; Group 4: No 3. HAZARD IDENTIFICATION Overview: NOTICE: Reports have associated repeated and prolonged occupational overexposure to solvents with permanent brain and nervous system damage. Intentional misuse by deliberately concentrating and inhaling the contents may be harmful or fatal. Avoid contact with eyes, skin and clothing. Inhalation: May be harmful or fatal if inhaled. Causes nose and throat irritation. Vapors may affect the brain or nervous system causing dizziness, headache or nausea. Eyes: Causes severe eye irritation. Do not get in eyes. Skin: Causes skin irritation. May be harmful if absorbed through the skin. Ingestion: Harmful if swallowed. May cause abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, or drowsiness. Chronic Effects: Contains an ingredient which can cause organ damage (See Section 2 and Section 15 for each ingredient). Possible cancer hazard. Contains an ingredient which may cause cancer based on animal data (See Section 2 and Section 15 for each ingredient). Risk of cancer depends on duration and level of exposure. HMIS Rating: Health: Unknown Flammability: Unknown Reactivity: Unknown ester/ urethane modified short oil Alkyd. Nice chemistry and will out perform normal Long oil or other standard Alkyd emanels. looking at the volume solids and the chemistry it is probably the best enamel on the market. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dry Reach Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Or in english for the plebs! PRODUCT DESCRIPTION Toplac is a premium gloss marine enamel for all substrates above the waterline. It is exceptionally easy to apply by brush or roller and pad and contains UV filter for increased durability. * Excellent flow characteristics * Range of bright colours * Over twice the life of ordinary alkyd enamels Its unique chemical structure enables Toplac to outperform traditional finishes giving a long lasting high definition gloss. PRODUCT INFORMATION Colour YKA027-Cream, YKA184-Med. White, YKA187-Ivory, YKA241-Norfolk Green, YKA265,YKA504-Fire Red, YKA905-White 905, YKA923-Squall Blue, YKB000-Snow White, YKB914-Baltic Blue, YKB993-Oxford Blue, YKE938-Danube Blue, YKF684-Atlantic Grey, YKF991-Mauritius Blue, YKJ292-Bounty, YKS101-Yellow, YKS299-Rochelle Red, YKS936-Lauderdale Blue, YKT541-Donegal Green, YKU898-Bondi Blue, YKY999-Jet Black, YKZ501-Rustic Red . Refer to colour chart for further details. Finish High Gloss Specific Gravity 1.1 Volume Solids 51% Typical Shelf Life 2 yrs VOC (As Supplied) 404 g/lt VOC (EU Solvent) 367.3 g/kg EU Solvent Emissions Directive (Council Directive 1999/13/EC) Unit Size 750 ml 375 ml (some colours only) 2.5 Lt (some colours only) DRYING/OVERCOATING INFORMATION Drying 5°C 15°C 23°C 35°C -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Touch Dry [iSO] 6hrs 3hrs 2hrs 1hrs Overcoating Substrate Temperature 5°C 15°C 23°C 35°C Overcoated By Min Max Min Max Min Max Min Max -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Toplac 24hrs 4days 16hrs 3days 8hrs 2days 6hrs 1days APPLICATION AND USE Preparation PREVIOUSLY PAINTED SURFACES: In Good Condition: Wash down with a suitable detergent, rinse with fresh water and allow to dry. Abrade with 280-320 grade (grit) paper. In Poor Condition: Remove all previous coatings and prime the substrate. PRIMING: Substrate preparation is covered separately on the primer datasheet. BARE WOOD: Sand smooth with 80-180 grade paper and then 280 grade paper. Remove sanding dust by brushing, dusting and wiping. If wiping with solvent then allow to dry completely before applying products recommended for application direct to wood (see specific coating systems). Prime with Yacht Primer or Clear Wood Sealer Fast Dry. STEEL: Degrease with solvent or Super Cleaner. Gritblast to Sa 2½ - near white metal surface. If gritblasting is not possible, grind the metal surface with 24-36 grit abrasive discs to a uniform, clean, bright metal surface with a 50-75 microns anchor pattern. Use angle grinder on small areas. Clean thoroughly and allow to dry. Prime with Yacht Primer. ALUMINIUM: Degrease with solvent or Super Cleaner. Sand well using 60-120 grade (aluminium compatible) paper. Clean thoroughly and allow to dry. Prime with Yacht Primer as soon as possible (within 8 hours). GRP: Degrease with solvent or Super Cleaner. Sand well using 180-220 grade paper. Clean thoroughly and allow to dry. No primer required - apply Pre-Kote direct to GRP. AGED/WEATHERED GELCOATS: Due to the potentially porous nature of aged/weathered gelcoats the risk of solvent/moisture entrapment after painting is much higher than when gelcoat is new. As a result this entrapment could lead to blistering of the paint film. To reduce the risk of paint film blistering it is recommended that 3 coats of Interprotect are applied to seal the gelcoat. Interprotect must be overcoated with Perfection Undercoat prior to topcoat application. ALL SUBSTRATES: Use Pre-Kote undercoat. If spray applying Toplac, Pre-Kote must be aged a minimum of 14 days. If this is not possible Perfection Undercoat can also be used as an undercoat. Method Sand the undercoat smooth with 320-400 grade (grit) wet or dry paper. Remove dust with a dust wipe. Apply 1-2 coats. Hints Mixing Stir well before use. Thinner Thinner No.1 Thinner No.10 #NAME? Thinning In warm or windy conditions up to 10% of thinner may be added to ease application. Cleaner Thinner No.1 Ventilation and Humidity Control Apply in dry, well ventilated conditions. Avoid applying late in the evening as condensation can cause a loss of gloss overnight. Conventional Spray Thin 10-25% with Thinner No.10 (For Professional use ONLY) to a viscosity of 18-22 secs (BS4) or 16-20 secs (DIN4). Pressure: 3-4 bar. Tip Size: 1.1-1.4 mm. NOTE: Pre-Kote undercoat MUST be aged a minimum of 14 days before application of Toplac. SPRAY APPLICATION - PROFESSIONAL APPLICATORS ONLY. Other For lighter colours, mix the first coat of finish 50:50 with the undercoat to improve the depth of colour and opacity. For best results when applying by roller, smooth off with a pad or brush. Some Important Points Toplac may discolour if used at temperatures above 80°C. Not suitable for permanently immersed surfaces. Do not use below 5°C. Ambient temperature should be minimum 5°C/41°F and maximum 35°C/95°F. Product temperature should be minimum 15°C and maximum 35°C. Substrate temperature should be minimum 5°C/41°F and maximum 35°C/95°F. Avoid applying late in the evening as condensation can cause a loss of gloss during overnight cure. Compatibility/Substrates Use over suitably prepared and undercoated surfaces or existing paint schemes. Number of Coats 1-2 by brush Coverage (Theoretical) - 13.33 (m²/lt) (Practical) - 12.00 (m²/lt) by brush, 8 m²/lt by spray Recommended DFT 38 microns dry Recommended WFT 75 microns wet Application Methods Brush, Conventional Spray, Roller Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dry Reach Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 Compared to Altexs Urethane Mod'd Enamel... • High gloss enamel finish • Marine quality • Good weathering properties • Good gloss retention • Good application characteristics Marine Gloss Enamel is designed for use as the finishing coating for the Single Component Marine topsides system. Marine Gloss Enamel can also be used : • For signwriting and boot stripes • For up-grading existing enamel systems, subject to correct preparation and undercoating • On canoes, tenders, dinghies, trailer yachts and power boats Marine Gloss Enamel Reinforced Alkyd Enamel Generic Type: Polyurethane Modified Gloss Finish Colour: refer Altex Yacht & Boat Colour Chart Packaging: 500ml, 1 and 4 litre Single component Gloss: High Gloss Flash Point: 35oC Thinner: Mineral Turpentine Storage: Store under cool, dry conditions Density: 1.21 kg per litre Volume Solids: 50% Theoretical Coverage Rate: 10 sq metres per litre at 50 microns dry Recommended Film Thickness Per Coat: 80-100 microns wet to obtain 40-50 microns dry Application: Spray, brush or roller Dry Times (50 μm DFT / 25oC / 50% RH): Touch Dry : 1½ Hr Hard Dry : Overnight Recoat Time (50 μm DFT / 25oC / 50% RH): Recommended : Overnight Marine Gloss Enamel August 2008 Head Office New Zealand 91 - 111 Oropi Road Greerton, Tauranga PO Box 142 Tauranga Mail Centre Phone: +64 7 5411 221 Fax: +64 7 5411 310 www.altexcoatings.co.nz Head Office Australia 7 Production Avenue Ernest Junction Queensland 4214 Australia Phone: +61 7 5594 9522 Fax: +61 7 5594 9093 www.altexcoatings.com.au DISCLAIMER This is not a specification and all of the information is given in good faith. Since conditions of use are beyond the control of the manufacturer, information contained herein is without warranty, implied or otherwise., and final determination of the suitability of any information or material for the use contemplated, the manner of use and whether there is any infringement of patents is the sole responsibility of the user. The manufacturer does not assume any liability in connection with the use of the product relative to coverage, performance or injury. For application in special conditions, consult the manufacturer for detailed recommendations. ALTEX COATINGS LIMITED SURFACE PREPARATION DIRECTIONS FOR USE PRECAUTIONS Marine Gloss Enamel is designed to be applied over Marine Surfacer Undercoat. All surfaces must be clean and dry before application of Marine Gloss Enamel. If the previous coating is aged more than one (1) week it should be thoroughly sanded and/or treated with P40 Prepainting Cleaner prior to application of Marine Gloss Enamel. DO NOT sand using stearate coated paper as this may adversely affect the adhesion of subsequent coatings. Mixing: Marine Gloss Enamel is a single component product that requires thorough mixing and careful thinning before use. Thinning: For spray application Marine Gloss Enamel should be thinned 15% to 40% with mineral turpentine. For brush application thin 5% to 15% with mineral turpentine, Application: Marine Gloss Enamel may be applied by spray, brush or roller. Suggested spray equipment is: Air Spray Graco - Delta Air Spray; 1.1 - 1.4 mm Fluid Nozzle De Vilbiss - JGA gun, E Fluid Nozzle, 704 Air Nozzle Airless Spray Graco - King 30:1 pump; 0.011-0.013” Fine Finish Tip (Note : Other equipment equivalent to the above may be used.) Note: Certain colours may require more than one coat to achieve complete hiding of the substrate. Clean-up: Use Mineral Turpentine Both Good! Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 322 Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 So house paint will be alright then. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dry Reach Posted July 27, 2010 Share Posted July 27, 2010 So house paint will be alright then. You can use anything you like! but it comes at a cost. If i was the 3.7 guy above i would sand the undercoat of and go 2 pack urethane system. But each to their own. Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Yes there are the "rumours" of same paint coming from same Vats, and that was the case many years ago in the Enamel ranges of several manufacturers. But paint technology has come a very long way now and those stories are not true for the big manufacturers at least. Enamel paint is no longer just a plain simple Turps based paint. They have all sorts of complex curing and hardening agents in them now. If you know what to look for, they are listed in the specs DR has posted above. Many single pot paints are as hard wearing as the older two pots used to be. But the two pots have gone forward leaps and bounds no as well. A lot in the area ease of application, making them some what safer for the amature to apply, what ranges of temp and moisture they can be applied in and recoat times and of course one of the real biggies, is the Gloss that can be achieved, even with a roller and brush. The gap between longevity of single and two pots is still there. But the ability to hold their looks for a longer period has been extended. However, all that is seconded always to some basic facts. What the subsrate is for a starter. In fact, most paints will fail due to what they are stuck to deteriorating rather than the coating itself. No point in putting an expensive two pot on if you are going to have plain ole ply warp and crack and open up due to no protection of the ply. No point in applying any expensive top coat if you do not prepare the surface correctly. Not point in the expensive top coats if you do not apply the correct primers and undercoats etc. And certainly no point in applying anything if you do it in the wrong temps, wrong drying times and wrong Humidities. Here is another company to consider. I really really like their products and not because the owner of the NZ branch is a mate of mine. And no I don't get any benifits from placing this here. http://www.hempel.com/Internet/inecorpo ... enDocument Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Dry Reach Posted July 28, 2010 Share Posted July 28, 2010 Yes there are the "rumours" of same paint coming from same Vats, and that was the case many years ago in the Enamel ranges of several manufacturers. But paint technology has come a very long way now and those stories are not true for the big manufacturers at least. Enamel paint is no longer just a plain simple Turps based paint. They have all sorts of complex curing and hardening agents in them now. If you know what to look for, they are listed in the specs DR has posted above. Many single pot paints are as hard wearing as the older two pots used to be. But the two pots have gone forward leaps and bounds no as well. A lot in the area ease of application, making them some what safer for the amature to apply, what ranges of temp and moisture they can be applied in and recoat times and of course one of the real biggies, is the Gloss that can be achieved, even with a roller and brush. The gap between longevity of single and two pots is still there. But the ability to hold their looks for a longer period has been extended. However, all that is seconded always to some basic facts. What the subsrate is for a starter. In fact, most paints will fail due to what they are stuck to deteriorating rather than the coating itself. No point in putting an expensive two pot on if you are going to have plain ole ply warp and crack and open up due to no protection of the ply. No point in applying any expensive top coat if you do not prepare the surface correctly. Not point in the expensive top coats if you do not apply the correct primers and undercoats etc. And certainly no point in applying anything if you do it in the wrong temps, wrong drying times and wrong Humidities. Here is another company to consider. I really really like their products and not because the owner of the NZ branch is a mate of mine. And no I don't get any benifits from placing this here. http://www.hempel.com/Internet/inecorpo ... enDocument Yip but i think you will find that some companies are relabelling alot of products from one batch (formula) into many various labels ie - Pleasure marine, Commercial marine, Industrial - Most Marine products In the early house paint days they used to take a commone premium product and re labell it into the trade, and house branded (Mitre 10) cans. I suspect that some companies are still doing this and the way to find out is to check their MSDS and volume solids figures in particular. Link to post Share on other sites
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