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#71 Black Panther

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 07:18 AM

I don't think I ever said that. Subliminally or otherwise I still think he is a vile despicable person who is doing immeasurable damage to his country and poses a risk to the rest of the planet. That opinion has only strengthened over the past 12 months.
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#72 erice

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 07:29 AM

Are we slow moving into a new cold war?

Will small neutrals have to pick sides and/or double their defence (+cyber defence) budgets?

What will this mean for our social welfare spending?

Higher taxation is coming

The amount depends on how much sovereignty 51% are comfortable giving away for the right to keeping on taking more than they give

Will we get a populist rabble rouser trying to break us away from the lethargy?

Will democratic presidents for life, Putin + xi, allow us the luxury of choice?
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Posted 27 February 2018 - 07:30 AM

Are we slowly moving into a new cold war?

Will small neutrals have to pick sides and/or double their defence (+cyber defence) budgets?

What will this mean for our social welfare?

Higher taxation seems soon

How much will democratic presidents for life, Putin + xi,

 

Allow us to have that debate rationally?

Will we get a populist rabble rouser trying to break us away from the lethargy?

 


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#74 armchairadmiral

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 07:33 AM

OK BP. He wsn't my choice either but 100% over that crook Clinton. Have to say that Trump's not doing too bad a job for the USA, just like he promised. So far  !


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#75 John B

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 09:54 AM

As the first NZ the united tribes flag is a far better example of flag design, strange that it never showed up in the selection process, it would have got my tick.

I agree , I like it.  

 But it will never be our flag because after it was rejected as our national flag it became the house flag for the Shaw Savill shipping line and stayed that way for near on 100 years.

 There's no way we'll ever have a flag that is identified with a commercial entity like that.


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#76 Steve Pope

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Posted 27 February 2018 - 10:53 AM

JB, if you reversed the concept of Shaw Saville using it as their house flag and instead considered that they flew the first NZ flag for all those years by honouring it. Surely could give the UTF. credence the next time the issue comes around.


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Posted 27 February 2018 - 11:22 AM

I'm in favour , Steve, I just don't think that it would make it past objectors, regardless how its sold.

 I did read its history some time time ago. The man who designed it and had it ratified was a shipowner himself. Some story about being penalised for not flying a flag, so he made one and had it accepted. 

 So originally it did have 'shipping' links , I suppose thats partly or even wholly why it was picked up by Shaw Savill.

 

 To me it has a lot of the content, identity  and history a national flag should have.

 maybe ?


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