rmiker 15 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 The main point with Shane is that he has a learning disability. So he struggles to explain himself well on a forum. But then, he is not the only one. I am not too worried about hm taking on this journey to the sounds. It's not that far and it's not too difficult. He could well get in more trouble inside the Harbour in a Southerly than along that piece of coast. It will be a great learning experience for him. There have been far worse out there making mistakes in their early days. Me included. But you learn real quick. And as our experience has increased, I can now look back at the trips that once scared the proverbial out of me at the time and now thonk hey I can do that with ease now. Sailing is certainly a sport where there is no better way to understand the experience than to experience it. I do think he would learn faster and better if someone with experience could go with him, but he has who he has. He is keen and we certainly more young people these days, that are keen. Smooth sea never made skilled Sailor. https://www.facebook.com/themaritimemagazine/videos/1757828824478511/ Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NZL1 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 So what do you sail?ive sailed, yacht raced, dingy raced, cruised, Skippered, many yachts at many levels locally and internationally for over fifty years. I am qualified to yachtmaster ocean, among other quals. And been involved in many rescues. What about you Fish?... Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 ive sailed, yacht raced, dingy raced, cruised, Skippered, many yachts at many levels locally and internationally for over fifty years. I am qualified to yachtmaster ocean, among other quals. And been involved in many rescues. What about you Fish?... I'm also qualified to yacht master ocean.Doesn't qualify me to bully someone and pass judgement on a web forum though. Sorry you had to get rescued so many times. What are you sailing at the moment, a trimaran or an armchair? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NZL1 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Since your passing judgement ( or trolling) on me and then making up stories... that should get you a few warning points from island time.... nice! I am not bullying him but potentially saving him from himself and people like you who sit by and say nothing. And i have never been rescued by anyone. I rescue idiots. Although i understand, from a couple of PMs, that you have a few times. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Since your passing judgement ( or trolling) on me and then making up stories... that should get you a few warning points from island time.... nice! Although i understand, from a couple of PMs, that you have a few times. ??? You seem awfully fixated on warning points for someone wanting to engage in polite discourse. And your last comment really doesn't make you sound like much of a newbie. I'm not going to feed this troll. Can someone tell me how to find the "ignore" button? Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Enough both of you. No personal attacks - the line between banter and rule breaches is very close. Play nice. The rules apply to PM's as well. Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 ??? You seem awfully fixated on warning points for someone wanting to engage in polite discourse. And your last comment really doesn't make you sound like much of a newbie. I'm not going to feed this troll. Can someone tell me how to find the "ignore" button? http://crew.org.nz/forum/index.php/topic/11510-how-to-blockignore-posts-from-another-users/?hl=ignore+posts Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 http://crew.org.nz/forum/index.php/topic/11510-how-to-blockignore-posts-from-another-users/?hl=ignore+postsThank you IT,No problems here. Link to post Share on other sites
madyottie 82 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'm with Wheels on this one. We know Shane has difficulty expressing himself online, I have difficulty doing it in person! That doesn't mean we can't learn by doing. Hell, if we're talking irrelevant qualifications to make ourselves sound big, try this for size... Offered a place at Lincoln uni at age 14. Chose not to take it up. Have a degree in sports coaching (sailing) from Bath uni in the UK. Have RYA and YNZ instructor tickets. Have a stack of unrelated qualifications as well. All of which mean nothing in the real world, and if I relied on those I'd be long dead. In the real world I've competed at all levels and had a couple of near death moments. It's those experiences that count, and classrooms count for Jack. By helping Shane he can improve all the time. If we ignore people asking questions then what does that say about us? I enjoy helping people and learning from people, often the two happen simultaneously. By actually thinking about issues from an outside perspective you can learn amazing things that you didn't even realise you didn't know. 5 Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Good post madyottie, More so, my concern with heavily critising someone when they ask questions, is they then stop asking questions. The chances of them not going sailing, cause someone with big sounding qualifications told them not to on the Internet, is zero. By asking questions, the op gets to seek advice and help which is most valuable. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
philstar 61 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I agree with Fish. I can't see how some constructive comments on a forum can hold us as legally responsible for shane. I am a firm believer in adventure and all for the younger fellas going for it now that I am no longer considered such a young fella. Rather than condemn him I'm all for offering sage advice and mentoring. NZL1 you are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Well here is a little adventure I had at 18, took a hartley 16ft from Kawau out to Gt Barrier (1981),s.e wind 15+ knts,incoming tide quick trip and hung on like death,following day 36hrs drift back to Kawau. Would I do it again at 53?NO, and yes I may give advice to someone who wanted to do it tomorrow, Do it in company of larger vessel . I got away with it, Lucky springs to mind. Link to post Share on other sites
madyottie 82 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Well here is a little adventure I had at 18, took a hartley 16ft from Kawau out to Gt Barrier (1981),s.e wind 15+ knts,incoming tide quick trip and hung on like death, ... Lucky springs to mind. From what I understand, that's probably the least exciting of your early adventures! When I recollect some of the stories I heard from one of our (now departed) mutual friends, I realise just how little I've lived. Then I consider what people can get up to today, and I'm glad to have done as much as I did! Shane is a perfect example of the spirit we all once had, just get out there and live, cos you're a long time dead afterwards. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NZL1 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Many still do but YNZ and some clubs are going hard out to extinguish it....... sadly they do appear to be doing a bloody good job, the wankers!! agree. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NZL1 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I'm with Wheels on this one. We know Shane has difficulty expressing himself online, I have difficulty doing it in person! That doesn't mean we can't learn by doing. Hell, if we're talking irrelevant qualifications to make ourselves sound big, try this for size... Offered a place at Lincoln uni at age 14. Chose not to take it up. Have a degree in sports coaching (sailing) from Bath uni in the UK. Have RYA and YNZ instructor tickets. Have a stack of unrelated qualifications as well. All of which mean nothing in the real world, and if I relied on those I'd be long dead. In the real world I've competed at all levels and had a couple of near death moments. It's those experiences that count, and classrooms count for Jack. By helping Shane he can improve all the time. If we ignore people asking questions then what does that say about us? I enjoy helping people and learning from people, often the two happen simultaneously. By actually thinking about issues from an outside perspective you can learn amazing things that you didn't even realise you didn't know. i understand he sentiment you express. so you are confident he is mentally, physically, killed enough and his boat is capable, equiped, and seaworthy enough then! Hqving problem conmunicating is not the issue. The issue is seaworthiness, experience, and seamanship? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest NZL1 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I agree with Fish. I can't see how some constructive comments on a forum can hold us as legally responsible for shane. I am a firm believer in adventure and all for the younger fellas going for it now that I am no longer considered such a young fella. Rather than condemn him I'm all for offering sage advice and mentoring. NZL1 you are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine. i understand the sentiment you express. so you are confident he is mentally, physically, skilled enough and his boat is capable, equiped, and seaworthy enough then! Having problem conmunicating is not the issue. The issue is seaworthiness, experience, and seamanship? it can just as giving a man a gun. Also here is the ethical and moral issues with you not putting some reality into this whole voyage but just add small snippets to thecobviously flawed plan. You are all commenting without even see the guy sail and the condition of his boat. Pied pipers are what you are. If he can pass the tests offshore sailors do to determine they are ready ( Cat 1,2,3...) then i would be backing him but we cannot confirm this. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
madyottie 82 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Nope, that's not what I'm saying. I know very little about the man. A little more about his boat, twenty years ago the variant "Wings" belonged to a friend of mine. I may be wrong but I think Shane also sailed somewhere on a tall ship recently. What I think is that people should be able to seek advice from wherever they like. And live how they please, without the constant negativity and derision from the high and mighty. As someone said above, Shane will do what he wants to do, whether he gets helpful advice here or not. If someone asks for help to achieve a goal, I'm more than willing to help. If, on the other hand, someone asks me out of sheer laziness or arrogance then they get a much less helpful response. A lot of people, probably most, on this forum were very skeptical about Shane when he first arrived here, as a lot of his questions didn't make a lot of sense, but now we understand him a bit more,and quite honestly we'd rather try to help and advise than read about him in the press. It's almost a social responsibility to help those who need it, otherwise the poverty gap increases, only this time it's poverty of knowledge. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
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Black Panther 1,586 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 He doesn't need my permission. Link to post Share on other sites
rmiker 15 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 What utter rubbish!. I dont know who is more stupid? Him or the respondents here? Are you for real?? People have the right to make their own decisions.. Sailing a yacht from Banks Pen to Marlborough isn't that hard. Some people with less experience and lesser boats have crossed oceans.. concentrate on something more important maybe like some of the world's starving children.. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
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