harrytom 640 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/20/asia/us-navy-destroyer-collision-singapore/index.html A US Navy guided-missile destroyer collided with a merchant ship east of Singapore early Monday, the second US warship to be involved in a collision in just over two months. The Navy's 7th Fleet said in a statement that the USS John S. McCain collided with the merchant vessel Alnic MC while the destroyer was making its way to a port visit in Singapore, the Navy said. The collision was reported at 5:24 am local time, according to the Navy statement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 000 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 The photos show the destroyer with damage to her port side and the tanker is reported to have damage to her bow. That would tend to indicate the destroyer had right of way. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 The photos show the destroyer with damage to her port side and the tanker is reported to have damage to her bow. That would tend to indicate the destroyer had right of way. That would be a change from the month before last. I wonder why, with such advanced radar, the US Navy guys can't see a f**king big ship? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 News reports that the warship lost steering before the incident, but regained it. Comment in the video here http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/08/ten-sailors-missing-warship-collision-170821013601775.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 I wonder why, with such advanced radar, the US Navy guys can't see a f**king big ship? Maybe they all have there heads down looking at a Radar screen. Or worse, maybe they are all looking at the smart ph screens txting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robinm 2 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 There is some concern that this is a form of cyber warfare: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article168470432.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 It would be plain nuts to travel through that area using electronics only. There surely would have been a watch. The idea of cyber attack I think might be an excuse to save face. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bad Kitty 249 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 It would be plain nuts to travel through that area using electronics only. There surely would have been a watch. The idea of cyber attack I think might be an excuse to save face. Seeing the other vessel wouldn't help though if you can't get control? Electronic controls maybe? Don't know how warships work but it does look interesting especially with the geographical locations of the incidents? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 if the explanation comes down to mysterious, unprovable malicious intent or incompetence in the dark i'd start with incompetence if these billion? dollars warships can be hit by huge freighters at 7? knots how can they avoid another uss cole type attack from a hundred times smaller speedboat going 4 times faster and able to change direction + speed far easier? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Cole_bombing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robinm 2 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 I'd be very surprised if a fully crewed destroyer failed to have a proper watch system. There are a number of possible explanations but as that article says, there is a statistical anomaly. I have had some experience in cyber security, you'd be surprised just how prevalent attacks are in banking and government. Interestingly the US navy has returned to required celestial navigation training, good for us too, the course is freely available online from Vanderbilt University. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 There have been 4 collisions in 12mths. That's really worrying.But cyber attack? These vessels are supposedly the most electronically shielded things on the planet. And surely the electronics are not connected to the internet, so how do you break into something like that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robinm 2 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Maybe it's the other ship being attacked? Possibly it would be easier to control a regular commercial ship and have it ram the naval ship. GPS spoofing doesn't need the Internet, essentially it jams the correct signal and sends off the wrong coordinates to any GPS in range. Maybe the US navy GPS is not susceptible to these attacks but all the other ships in the same area would be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted August 22, 2017 Share Posted August 22, 2017 Hmmm Why rent a van When you can remotely hijack a freighter Should be pretty easy to see what vessel tracks were Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raz88 96 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 There was mention on the tv news last night of the warship maybe having lost steering a few minutes before the crash. However it seems surprising that a)they don't have some sort of ready to go contingency, and b)the sleeping quarters were seemingly full during an emergency Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 apparently the whole us navy has suspended (fleet?) operations and the 7th fleet commander has been sacked while they work out if they have a bigger problem... https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/us-navy-suspends-all-operations-worldwide-after-uss-john-s-mccain-collision-uss-fitzgerald-kt7q6nj8t Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 640 Posted August 24, 2017 Author Share Posted August 24, 2017 arent the us navy alcohol free?? would think more of a case of failed lookout in both cases,"we have rights,they will change course"bugger Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 when the air nz dc10 hit erebus they were theoretically under the flight control of mcmurdo base air traffic control there were rumours they were all too stoned to bother with watching the screens for civilian air traffic over-flys or they would have seen the on radar the plane descending into the mountain... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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