erice 732 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 remember that ozzie cruising cat that surfed the breakers over the bar into that queensland port? don't try it in a waka those the steering oars..... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11922507 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 if you put on your mohiti looking for racism you'll probably find it is it because - i used te reo - used not enough te reo - used alliteration in the title - posted a link about a capsize on a sailing website? - or because emotion has your racist radar is cranked up so high, facts aren't needed just what "you feel" going to go after the newspapers as well for racistly reporting news not glowing of maori? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 good to see you've edited your post i seem to remember some waka have a wheeled helm but the ones i've seen use a steering oar and hopefully we all know you need exceptional power + steering control at a critical moment crossing a bar in a swell https://youtu.be/741HiCUdkW8?t=12 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Wow obviously the skipper made a bad call, wouldn't be that easy to control. I know a few Guys who go on that boat regularly will have to ask them what happened. http://sunlive.co.nz/news/162600-bay-skipper-fined-over-waka-capsize.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grant 40 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 yikes! not a good day to try a bar crossing. A number of years a go one of the 22m waka houroa (pardon spelling) had an interesting time getting to Wellington, with a southerly swell astern of them they had difficulty keeping their oar in the water. Skipper made the decision to go across rather than straight down the seas and got into Island Bay for shelter. A very nice bit of work considering the entrance and conditions at the time...... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkMT 68 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I do think there is a hint of racism, but to be polite I called it bias. So now you are being impolite?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MarkMT 68 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 No doubt a bad call, but I'm curious about the details of the legal issue involved. Of course 'details' is not something you could ever accuse the Herald of dabbling in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 I do think there is a hint of racism, but to be polite I called it bias. a definition of a your "hint of racism" would be insightful Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 presumably the legals are over the captain's call of bringing the publically? owned waka in against the advice of the harbourmaster presumably they were wearing lifejackets, as required for crossing the bar as the surfer dudes didn't have to pull bodies from the water Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grant 40 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 No doubt a bad call, but I'm curious about the details of the legal issue involved. Of course 'details' is not something you could ever accuse the Herald of dabbling in. details and facts sometimes seem to be too complicated for the media to cope with.... I suspect that the prosecution would have been under section 65 of the Maritime Transport Act, most cases of this type are. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 here's last year's story on the face of it, looks like inadequate bow buoyancy "Then all of a sudden he caught a wave, got on top of it and the waka just did a nosedive and the wave came up over the top, picked the behind up and tipped him clean over. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11577813 pretty sure the writer's wrong calling it a waka ama ama means float, so waka-ama means canoe-float and in common nz useage is the proa? paddling canoe as in last night's rescue https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/waka-ama-crew-in-difficulty- Shortly after 8pm, the Police Eagle helicopter and the Police Maritime Unit were called to assist with the rescue, along with the Auckland Airport hovercraft "This incident highlights the importance of water safety and being prepared for rapidly changing conditions - it could have been a very different outcome if we hadn't had staff ready to locate them," said Auckland Metro shift Inspector, Jason Greenhalgh. "It's a shame that not all had been wearing lifejackets," he said.off-course-rescued-south-auckland Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grant 40 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Ocean crossing cats - waka hourua Out riggers - Waka ama war canoes - waka toa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madyottie 82 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 I didn't know about last night's incident, but a little surprised by it. The guy who runs (ran, maybe?) those training sessions is a very skilled paddler, and pretty good on the safety of the crews. From memory each paddler has access to a pfd at arms reach, and are encouraged to wear them if conditions are a bit dodgy. I need to check on something Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madyottie 82 Posted September 14, 2017 Share Posted September 14, 2017 Checked. George Pomana, the head trainer for the club, passed away in January of this year. Possibly explains a lot. His were big boots to fill. Will be hard to replace. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Is that the Waka that I used to see travel up Herald Island direction? or something completely different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 a fair few waka in auckland generally 1 or 2 tied up at the maritime museum 1 often doing a cct up to chelsea? down to brown's + back last summer another was at waiheke, sailed by some european backpacker types Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madyottie 82 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 These guys are based in Weymouth, on the mighty Manukau. George used to take his teams around towards Auckland Airport for rough water training, the Papakura channel and Waimahia inlet are pretty much their home turf. At one point there was talk of amalgamation of the sailing, fishing, and paddling clubs, George was quite keen on a much bigger clubhouse which could store a few waka alongside the sailing and rescue boats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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