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#31 Rats

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 01:26 PM

One has to wonder how many of these "prominent Aucklanders"  have an "interest" in VHH, or One Market Square-call me a twisted cynic but why else would they fall in behind what is essentially the rich listers VHH option?

 

Go on Dalts just tell the F wits to make room next to the sticks of dumbarse already up there- surely there will be enough room for a big FU we are off to Italy.

 

Wished I had time for the popcorn but this dicking around over what has been clearly spelled out is a time sensitive issue has  descended into an episode of Keystone Cops with too many barely concealed agendas, no communication with the team that bought the cup back here and the whole thing  run locally by incompetent idiots who it appears would be incapable of organizing a piss up in a brewery let alone coordinating an international regatta.

Time for a big stick or two to come out and some idiots told to step into line.


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#32 Fish

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 01:43 PM

I'm not sure what everyone was expecting, but the current palava is fully inline with my expectations. It will definitaly get worse...

 

This is a major land development project, with tight timeframes, paid for by public money to accomodate private commercial organisations, with a high political component, all on sensitive waterfront land, with a large number of vested interests.

 

What could possibly go wrong?

 

I think the major concerns with the Emirates proposal by all of the "prominent Aucklanders" is around surrounding that section of the waterfront with large warehouse structures. The effects on 'visual amenity' will be significant, i.e. you wont be able to see the water or harbour, not to mention glossing over the 75 m wharf extension.  Under this option, you may well have to pay to watch the boats, or just to access the waterfront area - it will be fully screened.

 

The VHH option actually sounds the most logical to me, in terms of cost, quality of the outcome and environmental / visual effects on the waterfront.

 

And I would not be bothered if this all went to Italy. The best footage will be on TV, watching from my own boat on the water will be hard work. If it goes to Italy, Auckland saves a major financial burden.


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#33 Knot Me... maybe

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Posted 07 March 2018 - 03:17 PM

I think a lot of it is people wanting to use the AC to get rid of the tank farm and make changes to existing stuff where Emerites wants all new infrastructure............ and to grab another chunk of the harbour.

 

As a ratepayer in a city that is flat broke and going backwards fast, I'd far prefer to see old sh*t changed to bases than whole lot of new sh*t built leaving the old sh*t still there.

 

As much as the AC been a bit of a over hyped yawn feast in the last few editions and I wouldn't lose any sleep of it went to Italy, I'd still prefer to see it here if it can be done in a ratepayer acceptable cost.


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#34 Priscilla II

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:47 PM

 "if it can be done in a ratepayer acceptable cost"

 

What would be acceptable.

Appears like this Cup could end up costing the rate/taxpayer in excess of $250m.

ETNZ probably thought that once they had secured and returned with the Poisoned Chalice and completed their countrywide tiki tour that Auckland City ratepayers would drop their financial panties at Dalton and Co's feet and build the Taj Mahal of Cup infrastructure along with accepting to pay a staggering hosting fee.

Ahh, happy days they thought.

 

"This is a major land development project, with tight timeframes, paid for by public money to accommodate private commercial organisations, with a high political component, all on sensitive waterfront land, with a large number of vested interests."

 

True.

 

What next who really knows, sure would be interesting being a fly on the wall at ETNZ board meetings.

 

 

 

 

 


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#35 ex Elly

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:14 PM

"Why would Team New Zealand want a "Taj Mahal" solution? It's completely counter to their 30-year history and culture."
 
"The comment by the Mayor that ETNZ "will get the facilities they need not desire" is typical of the arrogance shown towards the America’s Cup winners, who have made an art form of running their campaigns since 1992 on spartan budgets for a total of 30 years of America’s Cup competition."
 
If the bases aren't built in time half the benefits to NZ could be lost, as the visiting team members will pay no tax, and team spend could be halved.
 

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#36 Puff

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:30 PM

Richard should probably leave the tax advice to the accountants.

If in nz for under 183 days they will still pay tax on their nz income. They just won’t pay nz tax on their overseas income which in any case is nil because nz rates are less than almost all other countries where double tax agreements apply.

But yes obviously the less time here means less tax take overall.
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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:28 AM

Cancel all the previous debate - TNZ has "reluctantly agreed" to yet another alternative revised revisited modified and updated option!

 

http://www.nzherald....jectid=12012416


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#38 Priscilla II

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Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:44 AM

Appears as if ETNZ will now not look for a permanent legacy base at the end of Hobson Wharf.

Next question, where does the massive ASB carpark get relocated to.


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:39 AM

it doesn't get relocated is my guess


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Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:57 AM

Not to put a damper on things, but apparently the local iwi (the orakei lot - sorry, forget the name momentarily) have lodged an objection. It's made the midday news on ZB, could have yet another fight to fight.

Just build what you want - by the time council pushes all the paper back across the desk a dozen times, realise the consent still hasn't been granted, and finally decides which contractor can be paid the most for bulldozer hire, the base could be built, event held, bases removed, pine trees planted, watered, fed, harvested, sent to china and sold here as $1 hammer handles.
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