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#31 Aleana

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Posted 04 May 2018 - 01:17 PM

Bingo! exactly same experience as Adrian with the boat we recently bought (Jeanneau 42). We liked at dozens of production boats with equal mix of NZ new vs sailed from offshore. The difference was huge. We paid a bit more to get our lightly used NZ-new example instead of a near-identical sailed-to-NZ boat. The offshore boat looked way more tired but we thought it was cosmetic. Plus it had some new kit to woo potential buyers - I later found out it had structurally issues and had to replace all the keel bolts as a starting point.

If you’re buying a purpose-built offshore production boat (Amel, Oyster, Ovni, Island Packet, Hylas, Discovery, Moody etc) then the sail to NZ most likely hadn’t over dressed the boat. But most of the lighter Mediterranean cruisers (Ben, Bav, Jen, Catalina etc) are not designed for extended offshore cruising - with some exceptions in their model lineups - with the result that many examples that’s have sailed to NZ will be carrying fatigue. They might have made it here fine and look ok on the surface but I would buy with great caution. And never expect to pay same price as NZ-new versions.
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#32 B00B00

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Posted 04 May 2018 - 02:53 PM

I suppose there are 2 ways to look at everything. If you buy a NZ new boat of the same vintage that hasn't been offshore and want to kit it up for an offshore passage, you will be chucking a ton of time and money at it. Solar panels + a stainless arch/davit to put it on, watermaker, wind generator, inner jib, life raft, spare parts, extra chain, cat 1 gear ect. Although I would think a fair bit of cat one gear would still need to be added to many of the current offshore cruisers.


As has been mentioned in this thread a few times, its a super easy passage from the Med to NZ. Downwind the whole way in 15-25kt trade winds except the last bit to NZ. We haven't even tacked once yet or seen any real bad conditions. I think a bad coastal trip in NZ could do way more structural damage than the whole trip from Europe!
We all know that the NZ coast is one of the worst there is.

I think there is merit in buying a boat that already has had the money chucked at it and all the gear in good working order and ready to go.
Its not all about how shiny the boat is....
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Posted 04 May 2018 - 05:44 PM

Agreed Booboo, a sorted boat is always cheaper, provided it’s in good order. Shiny doesn’t matter. To me anyway. There is a lot more $ in making a boat really ready for offshore than most realise. And the NZ coast, esp south of east cape and cape egmont, is tougher sailing than most cruisers ever see.
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Posted 04 May 2018 - 05:59 PM

I agree with both of you re cost of equipping a bare boat for offshore vs buying a fully kitted blue water cruiser.

Also agree that NZ has some of the meanest waters in the world (arriving into NZ is particularly difficult compared to departing) but having been bought up sailing in Northern European waters I’d say they can be equally nasty too on occasions - often due to the stronger tides (5 kts+ are common) creating horrible conditions.

But bottom line I wouldn’t buy a production boat and sail away from NZ eg up to islands. Call me a coward - might be right - but I’d want a purpose built offshore cruiser to take my family offshore. Especially as I’m nowhere near as experienced and competent offshore as some of you guys esp Booboo.

So my current boat (Jeanneau 42DS) won’t be going offshore with me in it just Northland cruising. One day I might upgrade to an offshore boat and do a bigger trip but I don’t feel inclined in this, lovely as it is for Gulf Cruising,
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 07:38 AM

Looks like they have stopped at Cocos Island
Didn’t even know it was there, but looks amazing
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Posted 10 May 2018 - 08:26 AM

I was there in the 80s. Stunning. Breeding grounds for hammerhead. Supposedly pirate treasure buried there.
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Posted 12 October 2018 - 06:01 PM

Warning Warning Warning
Update
They have left Tonga for NZ with a possible stop at Minerva
Heading for Opua
If they don’t stop they maybe in Russell next weekend ?

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#38 muzled

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Posted 12 October 2018 - 09:07 PM

Cool, be pretty exciting seeing the coast pop up for the first time.


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Posted 13 October 2018 - 09:09 AM

Best it for me (speshly in a sou'wester) is when the sea flattens out after you get in the lee of the Cape - then you smell the manuka :thumbup:


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Posted 14 October 2018 - 02:33 PM

Looks like they stopped for a cuppa

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