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#61 Zozza

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 08:18 AM

I find cat one a hassle too but I don’t believe you would be failed on either a junk rig or your cockpit drains setup if it is obviously safe and strong. The offshore experience could be a show stopper though.

 

Thanks ex TL.

I haven't ruled out putting my boat on a cargo ship to some distant port to start from there due to the potential "show stopper" you mention.  If I have to, I will.


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#62 ex TL systems

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 12:33 PM

If you talk to an inspector and that was all that was stopping it then I would think that a trip non stop from say Auckland to Welly would help. I think they aim to get a idea of your ability from discussions etc putting it on a ship seems like a big hassle.
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 07:21 PM

You dont have to have ocean experience, you just have to have enough experience so the inspector thinks you'll be ok. Once again, the "rules" are NOT carved in stone. I suggest you talk with an inspector.


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Posted 21 June 2018 - 08:12 PM

Well Dr Watson, for me a lot of it IS about Cat 1 or not Cat 1.

 

I don't mind the epirb or life raft requirements, but some of the other rules are a "one size fits all" nature and have just not been thought through well enough.

 

I've already mentioned the requirement that someone on board has done an ocean passage - that aint gonna work for me as a single-hander, and no, I don't want to go to a passage on someone elses boat first - I frankly, don't want to put my safety into someone elses hands.  I am preparing my boat as best I can for the worst possible case scenarios - as much as one can anyway,y as nature is nature.  And I am not going sailing on someone else's boat offshore whom I have had no hand in setting boat up, just so some cat 1 inspector can tick a box.

 

Looking further through cat 1 rigging rules - its all rules for Bermudian boats.  My boat is rigged as Chinese lug rig, often called 'junk rig'.  How can you take seriously a set of rules that assume everyone is going to rig their boat Bermudan style?

 

 

Hi Zozza, I totally understand that and agree with you. I'd never considered the option of shipping a boat offshore and then sailing on. But to get that experience, as IT pointed out it needn't be an ocean crossing, perhaps a longer trip as ex-TL suggested? Chatham Islands?

 

However, the reason I started the thread was not to do with the issues or utility of getting Cat 1 - which we've debated back and forth on this forum any times on many threads - but to find a solution for registration due to pressures other than having to meet Cat 1. 

 

Some members have other reasons for needing something other than a NZ registration. As I understand it, BP was registered elsewhere, but due to other reasons had to register back in NZ. Some people don't want to register in NZ because of Cat 1, other people can't register in NZ because the boat is not owned but a citizen or resident.


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#65 Zozza

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 08:34 PM

Hi Zozza, I totally understand that and agree with you. I'd never considered the option of shipping a boat offshore and then sailing on. But to get that experience, as IT pointed out it needn't be an ocean crossing, perhaps a longer trip as ex-TL suggested? Chatham Islands?

 

However, the reason I started the thread was not to do with the issues or utility of getting Cat 1 - which we've debated back and forth on this forum any times on many threads - but to find a solution for registration due to pressures other than having to meet Cat 1. 

 

Some members have other reasons for needing something other than a NZ registration. As I understand it, BP was registered elsewhere, but due to other reasons had to register back in NZ. Some people don't want to register in NZ because of Cat 1, other people can't register in NZ because the boat is not owned but a citizen or resident.

 

Good point Doctor, and didn't meant to hijack the thread!

 

But yep, fully intend to do some serious coastal cruising, and a longer trip to Chatham Islands would be on the cards for sure, and is no mean undertaking requiring careful planning and a definite good test I would say.


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Posted 21 June 2018 - 08:35 PM

I'm surprised at the number of people contacting me via pm who are also looking into offshore reg. Mostly due to cat 1.
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:38 PM

and, no doubt, people who have not actually been thru the NZ system.... Its not that bad - except for the cost of the registration, which is stupid high for a piece of paper you get nothing for!


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Posted 21 June 2018 - 09:58 PM

and, no doubt, people who have not actually been thru the NZ system.... Its not that bad - except for the cost of the registration, which is stupid high for a piece of paper you get nothing for!

 

Pity I'm  not a Pom.

From the UK Small Ships Registration website:

 

The UK Ship Register

You can register your boat with the UK Ship Register for use at sea.

Part III registration

Register your boat on the Part III (Small Ships Register) if you want to prove the boat’s nationality when sailing outside UK waters.

It costs £25 for 5 years.


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#69 Black Panther

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Posted 21 June 2018 - 10:54 PM

I think you are wrong IT. Most of us have been through cat1 more than once
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Posted 21 June 2018 - 11:14 PM

Perhaps, but we’ll have to agree to disagree. I’ve found my cat1 experiences pretty easy. Plus I think a seaworthy vessel should be to that standard anyway, with a few obvious exceptions in some circumstances - like a throw line for a single gander etc. but I must say in those situations, the inspector has just ignored those items.
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