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#11 ScottiE

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Posted 29 May 2018 - 08:56 AM

I don't know that you can decipher much of an argument from the 3min grab that Erice posted. His data came from the US Army and was quite specific. Yours came from where and covers what? Also, are you trying to reinforce what ever arguement he's making or oppose it?
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#12 Maté

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Posted 29 May 2018 - 09:02 AM

Perhaps he meant 80's teens hanging out smoking joints to..

 


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#13 erice

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Posted 29 May 2018 - 07:58 PM

soon to be 2 in 10?

 

The biggest issues were labour shortages and the rising costs of labour, he said.

 

"Many growers said this is putting a cap on future growth."

 

He said Bay of Plenty kiwifruit growers complained they were short of at least 1200 people for harvest work this year.

 

"Given the current future trajectory of Zespri's future growth plans, if they are 1200 short today how many tens of thousands they are going to be short in 10 years. This is a global problem we have to solve."

 

Two months ago, Yamaha made an equity investment in Robotics Plus. Kellerman said the company invested because the technology was the future of agriculture worldwide, particularly autonomous vehicles, industrial automation and robotics.

 

The Tauranga based company was in the process of building 20 robotic apple packers for United States growers. 

 

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#14 AJ Oliver

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 02:35 AM

Hey Scot - 

 

I have to wonder re Peterson why the notion of a lower 10% in terms of mental ability is "terrifying." 

 

We've always had a lower 10% and always will, by definition. And I would further argue that the lower 10% a century ago were lower functioning than today - back then, many were totally illiterate. Hats off to all the people who have been their caregivers down the millennia - I know some of them. 

 

On a loosely related note, we were hiking near Murchison several years ago, and met a group of Chilean youngsters who had come to NZ to work in your fruit business. They spoke favorably about their pay and benefits, and had fallen in love with your country. It would be kind of a shame to lose that. 


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Posted 30 May 2018 - 05:54 AM

And besides, this kind of rubbish thinking moves Humanity toward an elitist view. There are many cleaver people that have Dyslexia. It was and still is in some ways, considered a Learning disability. Although that is now changing somewhat and is starting to be considered fro what it really is. The same could be said with Autism. Some in Society view Autism as a disability. Yet on so many occasions, we have seen some Autistic people show a level of ability that is clearly super human. Kids with Down Syndrome can express a love and kindness that this World drastically needs. You just cannot and should not put people into boxes. Because the Boxes that the so called "Normal"of society have are all one unforgiving shape.


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#16 erice

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 08:34 AM

the modern world is based on science

 

science is about measuring things

 

learning from that

 

improving things

 

people don't like being measured

 

not because of the measuring 

 

but because of the assumptions that are made of the measurements

 

afaik

 

peterson makes less assumptions that his critics

 

what he's trying to do

 

is to stop ignoring what results

 

just because they run counter to political ideologies


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#17 Black Panther

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 08:38 AM

It's a load of bollocks.
If every human on the planet were magically made 50% more intelligent the figures would not change.
This is a question of decency. How does wider society react to the less advantaged. Do we offer support or do we ridicule and vilify them?
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#18 erice

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:33 AM

1 of the precepts of science is untangling complicated things

 

and dealing with the strands individually 

 

ie let's untangle the above

 

1 - if everyone were 50% more intelligent, (85 becomes 127) everyone would have enough smarts for modern jobs

 

2 - the gov. policies provide support

 

3 - the gov. doesn't vilify 

 

so we are a decent society and we are doing what we can for the less advantaged

 

if the support we offer is failing in its goals due to the complicated nature of the problem

 

we need to break it down into manageable chunks

 

by studying, measuring

 

coming up with new ideas

 

testing them

 

replacing stuff it is proven doesn't work

 

and to a large degree that is what's being done

 

getting pissy because the best tool we have

 

points in directions some don't like

 

doesn't help anyone


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#19 Knot Me... maybe

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 09:42 AM

The difference is in all societies, bar one, the weak fall by the wayside to allow the strong to thrive. The one society that doesen't do that is the humans in the so called developed world.

 

Right or wrong will depend on your beliefs but do discuss it keeping in mind we are trying to do something no other societies do, beat nature.


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#20 ScottiE

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Posted 30 May 2018 - 11:22 AM

Hey Scot - 

 

I have to wonder re Peterson why the notion of a lower 10% in terms of mental ability is "terrifying." 

 

Why wonder?  You could just watch the entire debate and get an understanding of the context!


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