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#1 native

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 05:42 PM

As a policy its an expensive failure. but as long as we have talkback radio driven policy and cheery old gents like Garth McVicar rabbiting on about revenge instead of justice, us poor suffering taxpayers will have to pay and pay.

 

 

http://www.pmcsa.org...tice-system.pdf

 

 

 

he total cost of prisons has doubled since 2005, and tripled since 1996. Since 1972, criminal-justice costs have grown twice as fast as any other category of Government spending and three times faster than GDP. It can be inferred from the data that this pattern of rising costs is due to the legislative changes that have resulted in more people in prison who are on longer sentences and are serving a longer proportion of their sentences. Therefore, falls in the volume of crime (which would potentially save costs of imprisonment) have been cancelled out by the policy settings that remand more people in custody, and then, if convicted, keep them in prison for longer

 

Personally I object to paying taxes to run prisons instead of schools


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#2 wheels

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 07:57 PM

So what are you suggesting Native? We don't imprison offenders? or we line them all up and shoot them?
Unfortunately, Prison is part of Society. Just like unemployment and taxes and death. You either allow a free for all and no penalty for crime, or you have to penalize offenders in some way. I am not talking about the argument of rehabilitation. Whether you lock them up for punishment, or for rehabilitation, you still need to lock them up.


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#3 Freedom GBE

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:32 PM

Google "dutch prisons closing" You will find the answer:

 

A number of factors underlie the Netherlands' ability to keep its crime rate so low, namely, relaxed drug laws, a focus on rehabilitation over punishment, and an electronic ankle monitoring system that allows people to re-enter the workforce.
A study published in 2008 found the ankle monitoring system reduced the recidivism rate by up to half compared to traditional incarceration. Instead of wasting away in a jail cell, eating up federal dollars, convicted criminals are given the opportunity to contribute to society.


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#4 Priscilla II

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Posted 12 June 2018 - 08:49 PM

We as a society need to change tack entirely with the archaic practice of incarceration.

It simply does not produce positive results for the offenders ,victims or the public and this is easily evidenced by the statistics.

Jails are for all intents and purposes just higher learning centres for future criminal behaviour and as Freedom has exampled other more enlightened communities are reaching for answers from a different toolbox.

The three strikes policy is just Americana bullshit imported to appease McVicars mob who obviously wave the flag for Winnie and seeing they are the most incarcerating society around it definitely lacks efficacy.

The case here where a inmate was given 17 odd years for pinching a guards arse is proof enough.

The natives here fill the prisons far in excess to their demographic numbers and efforts to develop community based justice solutions should be supported.

Anything is better than building and subsequently filling more prisons.


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#5 wheels

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 06:20 AM

 

Google "dutch prisons closing" You will find the answer:

 

A number of factors underlie the Netherlands' ability to keep its crime rate so low, namely, relaxed drug laws, a focus on rehabilitation over punishment, and an electronic ankle monitoring system that allows people to re-enter the workforce.
A study published in 2008 found the ankle monitoring system reduced the recidivism rate by up to half compared to traditional incarceration. Instead of wasting away in a jail cell, eating up federal dollars, convicted criminals are given the opportunity to contribute to society.

There is a major difference though. The Netherlands is not NZ.
I understand where you both are coming from. But not many in our Society do. In the end, Prison is supposed to be a place where you don't want to go, so you don't want to do the crime. that does not work for all of course. But it would work for even less if they knew the result of being caught was going to be even less.
And that kind of offering is fine for low crimes, like drugs and such. But what about those that Murder and other very serious crimes. How do you convince a Person that has just lost their Child to some offender that had his way with their child and then Killed that Child, that they should wear a Ankle bracelet and return to the work force? I know anger and retaliation is not the answer either and the Families often cry for Blood.
The 17yrs for bottom touching is really more about the fact we have a Judicial system that has no commonality or sensibility in sentencings.
 


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#6 Island Time

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:58 AM

Come on Wheels, that is not what they said. No one is saying a murderer or rapist should be given an ankle bracelet. Some people need to be behund bars for the safety of the public.
Our prisons are full of many people with fairly minor offences. Often they get worse in their behaviour after prison.
The simple fact is, prisons don't work well to prevent recidivism.
NZ now has one of the highest incarceration levels of any nation. This is certainly not something to be proud of!
It's absolutely time we came up with better solutions. Other countries have.
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#7 muzled

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:17 AM

https://www.newsroom...ison-population


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#8 erice

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:14 AM

currently a travel agent sentenced to 3 years jail

 

for stealing? $700,000 from customers 

 

appealing her sentence

 

would prefer less than 2 years of home detntion 

 

https://www.stuff.co...prison-term-cut


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#9 native

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 10:56 AM

Considering it costs about 100k a year to imprison her can you think of a better solution? If you read the article, the theft was not motivated by greed but was more about being really bad in business.


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#10 Nzgrant

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 12:48 PM

native thats her defence lawyers words.  As such is there likely to be any truth in it??  Basically she stole 700 grand to use as she saw fit which at the time may have been her lifestye/business.  Plain and simple she deliberately stole from her clients.  It wasn't a one off incident,  she stole for at least the 20 months mentioned in the article.


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