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#11 native

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 01:40 PM

She needs punishment fo sure, its theft and it hurt people but whats the best way? Rather than spend 300 more on her, spend 50 and put 250 into reparations. There seems to be two sets of rules for financial crime, the banks stole 600m plus post gfc from taxpayers and got a wrist slap and no jail for the designers of the schemes.


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#12 erice

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 03:53 PM

this guy's sense of entitlement

 

seems to make him a poster boy for lock+throw

 

would you argue he was a product of "colonisation trauma"

 

or not enough "colonisation"?

 

how do we get him + his mates

 

to fit in?

 

https://www.stuff.co...ed-his-property

 

especially now HNZ

 

has decided not to evict them 

 

pretty much no matter what they do

 

https://www.nzherald...jectid=12069851

 

would you want him next door with his; pitbulls, parties + police raids? 


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 04:42 PM

Look there is always going to be dickheads and a place for them may well be behind bars. We can cherry pick individual cases all day long that prove the point for more or less incarceration, but thats a waste of time.

 

Whats the point of prison? This is where we get into sociology, criminology, philosophy, science, evidence..... As I have mentioned sometimes people confuse justice with revenge, or they have a personal agenda, or they are playing to a political base.

 

Fomenting fear among older people in particular is pretty horrible and mean if it means they live in fear, plenty of actors involved right from the media "if it bleeds it leads" mentality to politicians wanting votes. It an area fraught with danger once the private sector gets involved as we have seen with serco.

 

We need to look at countries that have been successful in reducing recidivism and first time offending, what to they do? In the mean time we have reform slowly so no one freaks out. Thats the work of good politics, which can be appallingly slow as all interested parties need to have an input (including Garth McHorribletits)


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#14 Priscilla II

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Posted 13 June 2018 - 05:16 PM

Agree with that Native.

The present population bulge is reflecting the growing amount of remand prisoners that in some instances are waiting upwards of a year to see the inside of a court.

This announcement with a nod to extra mental health care facilities is a step in the right direction.

https://www.nzherald...jectid=12069864

The problem with the prison system lays with the inevitable fact that its customers will at some stage be released back into society.

The question is in what mental state are they ejected from prison back into the community.

Prisons are notoriously violent fearfully depressing non progressive environments and if you treat people like animals they will turn into animals.

It is far too simplistic to say well Johnny if you do not like the punishment be a good boy and happy days.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 06:06 PM

 

Come on Wheels, that is not what they said.

Sorry, have I misunderstood this comment?

We as a society need to change tack entirely with the archaic practice of incarceration.

It simply does not produce positive results for the offenders ,victims or the public and this is easily evidenced by the statistics.

Jails are for all intents and purposes just higher learning centres for future criminal behaviour and as Freedom has exampled other more enlightened communities are reaching for answers from a different toolbox.

The three strikes policy is just Americana bullshit imported to appease McVicars mob who obviously wave the flag for Winnie and seeing they are the most incarcerating society around it definitely lacks efficacy.

 

 

 

Our prisons are full of many people with fairly minor offences.

Hmmm, I am not so sure about that. But what do you call a Minor offence where the sentence is Prison time?  Most minor offenders have bracelets or community service etc. It is fairly serious before you actually go inside.


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 06:13 PM

the built in mental health unit is a very good idea, it should be bigger

 

and preventative detention within that unit for those that never improve  

 

the 2 prison stories posted were not cherry picked, just in the news right now

 

take this new issue we have of people attacking ambulance staff

 

or doctors, nurses, firemen, police arresting someone, dog control rangers, other drivers etc.

 

there is a popular? bill before parliament for mandatory prison sentences for attacking ambulance staff

 

https://www.nzherald...jectid=12058625

 

and possibly support for mandatory prison sentences for drivers failing to stop for the police resulting in crashes that kill

 

it's all very to say 

 

"we are going to cut the prison population" 

 

but if that leaves violent, disturbed, immature, greedy criminals

 

to continue; killing, stalking, crashing into, ripping-off law abiding citizens

 

the voters just won't tolerate it

 

nor will winston1st

 

but fingers-crossed it can be done!


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 06:30 PM

dare say another popular sentence flashing up on the herald

 

Bankrupt builder jailed for gambling at casino with $20m of concealed creditors' cash

 

https://www.nzherald...jectid=12069824

 

and why not this idiot?

 

One person has died following a single car crash involving a vehicle that was reported as stolen.

The person who died was the passenger in the front seat, while the driver left the scene in Castlecliff, Whanganui.

 

- theft

- destruction of property

- manslaughter

- leaving the scene of a fatal accident

 

https://www.stuff.co...ashes-into-tree


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Posted 13 June 2018 - 08:52 PM

Sky City must be a giant dodgy cash washing machine.
William Yan AKA Bill Liu rinsed $239 million there and never spent a day in prison.
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Posted 13 June 2018 - 09:41 PM

and the whole sorry story

 

of the conflict between prison and rehabilitation

 

summed well in this new herald story 

 

This week, Karekare, now 20, returned to the High Court at Tauranga to be sentenced.

He was just 18 at the time of the attack, the youngest of the three friends from Kawerau.

 

....his client understood he was probably going to prison.

This prospect clearly troubled Justice Christian Whata.

"What are we going to do? He was young, immature, under the influence of alcohol, clearly with the wrong life goals of wanting to join a gang," said Justice Whata.

"Sending this young man to prison is sending him to a recruiting ground for the gang. It's about risk mitigation - we don't want violent offenders in community, holding them to account.

"But for the right person, if we honestly believe this person is the right candidate for rehabilitation, what do we do?

 

"It's an in-or-out situation. There's either a full chance of rehabilitation, or none at all. It's nonsensical in some regards."

 

https://www.nzherald...ectid=12069757 

 

probably the first thing we should do

 

is push back the drinking laws to 20 years old

 

if not 25

 

when the brain has supposedly fully matured

 

https://www.npr.org/...oryId=141164708


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 07:57 AM

Decriminalize drug use altogether.
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