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#21 native

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:24 AM

Have to agree, full decriminalisation.  Petrol is illegal, some people sniff it and our attitudes towards them is more around :how f-d up your circumstances are that you would do something that stupid, yet when meth comes up it rings the criminal bell. Contrasting that is the massive damage our No1 favourite drug of abuse does (doesnt even rate mentioning its name)

 

I know its all a matter of degree and about individual harms/risk and damage to society but the evidence is that criminal approaches dont work well.


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#22 wheels

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 08:24 AM

 

Sky City must be a giant dodgy cash washing machine.
William Yan AKA Bill Liu rinsed $239 million there and never spent a day in prison.

For Laundering to work, you have to be able to win back nearly all the money. Losing it is just gambling with stolen money.

 

 

Decriminalize drug use altogether.

and what? Are you saying just let people use what they want, when they want? Or do you mean fighting it in some other way?
The latest news is showing that a growing number of Road accidents are being caused by Drugs rather than Alcohol.
The cost to the community would be huge. Far more than the current cost of fighting the issue now.


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#23 Black Panther

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:30 AM

In EVERY place it has been tried there have only been positive outcomes. Less abuse. Less associated criminal activity. Less spread of illness and infection lower rates of incarceration. More tax collected. Hell we could develop a new export sector.
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#24 Black Panther

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 09:36 AM

Driving while impaired would still be crime. Sitting in your living room stoned wouldn't.
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#25 muzled

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 10:12 AM

In EVERY place it has been tried there have only been positive outcomes. Less abuse. Less associated criminal activity. Less spread of illness and infection lower rates of incarceration. More tax collected. Hell we could develop a new export sector.

 

Couldn't agree more.  What we've got clearly isn't working.

 

The govt announced y.day that the new clanger at Waikeria was to have 500 new beds and a health unit with 100, should have been the other way round.  


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#26 Knot Me... maybe

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 11:41 AM

In EVERY place it has been tried there have only been positive outcomes.

Except for drug help services, they very quickly get overloaded and turn to poohs due to everyone being pinged changing from being criminal to drug abusers needing treatment. Smoke one joint, get busted and you are now a drug abuser who need rehabilitation.

 

That's what's behind the NZ correction services comments of 85% of inmates have drug abuse issues. The dude doing 1kg of heroin today is lumped in with the dude who once caught a whiff of solvent as they walked past a panel beaters.


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#27 wheels

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 12:19 PM

 

Sitting in your living room stoned wouldn't.

It isn't now. Lets get that clear.
If the Police raided your home and found you stoned, there will be some other more serious reason why they raided you in the first place. If they find you smoking a joint, even in the street, they may take the joint from you, but they do not arrest you or even charge you The ones called "offenders" are those that posses amounts that would make them obvious sellers. Same goes for P. You can use the stuff and you may get found high, but they do not convict you for that. they may get you for disorderly or a danger to yourself or public or being violent. they will confiscate equipment and meth itself if found. They will only convict you if you have enough to make you a distributor.
The only really serious time is if 6you turn up to a Prison to visit and you have the stuff in the Car. they will ban you for 12months from any Prison.
And while on that subject, the same applies for minors drinking alcohol or smoking. Only the adult if caught supplying the minor gets in trouble.


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#28 chariot

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 12:56 PM

The government of the day still has a duty to protect the public from violent and anti social criminals, and many others that i,m not going to bother listing. That is why we require them to be locked up for serious offending. Nobody gets locked up for smoking a joint.

It seems that a lot of the above posts are written by people who have had a very sheltered life. 

There are a lot of tough hombrase out there that must be laughing their heads off at the touchy feelies running the show at the moment. 


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Posted 14 June 2018 - 01:05 PM

Dont think anyone is saying that violent and dangerous crims shouldnt be locked up, and who's being "touchy feely" or lives a sheltered life? that's a just an ad hominem put down aimed at cutting off discussion by being patronising.


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#30 Black Panther

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Posted 14 June 2018 - 01:29 PM

Except for drug help services, Evidence? they very quickly get overloaded and turn to poohs  Evidence?due to everyone being pinged changing from being criminal to drug abusers needing treatment. Indecipherable Smoke one joint, get busted  No that would not be illegal and you are now a drug abuser who need rehabilitation.Indecipherable

 

That's what's behind the NZ correction services comments of 85% of inmates have drug abuse issues. The dude doing 1kg of heroin today is lumped in with the dude who once caught a whiff of solvent as they walked past a panel beaters. Babble. Are you trying to make a point?


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