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#51 Freedom GBE

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 09:18 PM

if you're not going to lock up the fraudsters

 

how are you going to prevent them, + their mates, from committing more crimes?

 

https://www.stuff.co...k-what-she-took

 

https://www.stuff.co...gage-fraud-case

 

if you don't lock up the recidivist drink drivers 

 

how are you going to stop them, and their mates, drinking + driving until they kill?

 

https://www.nzherald...jectid=10817875

 

if there's no penalty for easy but poor choices

 

why bother with difficult but good choices?

Extra police

Monitor fraudsters for as long as it takes, monitor bank acounts, phones. Monitor conversations with thier mates family and partners, basicly they have lost thier right to any privacy. Dont give them credit cards no internet, passport unless they start giving back to the comuntiy.

 

Monitor drink drivers if they move at any spped at all stop them. Monitor if they enter a liquor store, if thier friend goes to a liquor store, imobolisers on cars etc.  Sorry I cant find the spell checker.


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#52 Priscilla II

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 09:28 PM

Freedom the authority’s are already doing it.
Can’t name the names but Waha brought the house next door so his lawyer was always available.
https://www.nzherald...bjectid=3502507
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#53 harrytom

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 02:14 AM

I was recently in court as a support person and the case before us was for a recidivist drink driver,4th time,his lawyer pleaded that a 7 month sentence would help his client and the judge nodding as in agreement,judge said his bit and when time came to sentencing the judge gave him 7yrs with 4 to be served.There was no accident causing death it purely based on alcohol readings ,the judge read out all readings and yes would say there was a alcohol problem as they ranged from 1050 to 1400.

 

Stayed for the next case (overheard conversation)methamphetamine manufacturing and supply,something wrong here 6 months home detention . why only 6 months considering the harm the "p"can do ?


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#54 native

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 07:41 AM

How many people have been killed by meth vs drunk drivers? Perhaps if the meth guy was there for his 4th time the sentence would have been different. But herein lies the problem, the subtext in your comment is that the meth sentence was too light, that is the problem we are trying to discuss. I think the drunks sentence was harsh but in the interest of public safety maybe it was the right thing to do?


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 07:47 AM

Of interest meth use is currently 1% down from 2.7% of the population in 2000. Maybe its had its day?


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#56 harrytom

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 12:31 PM

How many people have been killed by meth vs drunk drivers? Perhaps if the meth guy was there for his 4th time the sentence would have been different. But herein lies the problem, the subtext in your comment is that the meth sentence was too light, that is the problem we are trying to discuss. I think the drunks sentence was harsh but in the interest of public safety maybe it was the right thing to do?

The drunk was only mid 30s and the Guy would of been late 50s so maybe a first time caught for the meth guy.We need better deterrents,instead of locking people up in communal cell blocks should they be in solitaire for at least 1/2 their sentence or that be producing mental health issues?  Prison seems to be doing nothing nor does home detention,whats the solution a bullet or serve time in a Siberian salt mine?   Think it was  Noel Holmes a few years wrote an article on prisons. His suggestion place them all on a island and keep replenishing it every 6 months with new prisoners those that survived were brought back home


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 12:34 PM

https://www.stuff.co...an-drinkdrivers


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