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#21 Sabre

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 06:08 PM

I’m on the fence. I have been unfortunate enough to visit A&E a couple of times this year (once for myself) and I certainly didn’t see any overworked nurses. The last time I was there (about a month ago) with a painful hernia, there was only one other person in the waiting room. I still had to wait 2hrs to be seen and the staff had about the same sense of urgency as 89yr old Fred shuffling to the corner dairy to get the paper. Loverly people but overworked? I’m not convinced.

My uneducated impression is that nurses and teachers are having a crack because Labour are in power.

I think there are other sectors such as ECE that have seriously overworked and underpaid staff that should be addressed well before nurses and primary teachers.
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#22 wheels

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 06:20 PM

I agree that there are too many high management in the system. IMV, the DHB is part of the problem. Why do we need a DHB for every Hospital in the Country. In fact, Blenheims Hospital comes under the Nelson Marlborough Health board. Many of the cost cutting that Nelson has to achieve comes at a cost to us here. It is ridiculous.

That all aside, I also think a big mistake that is continually being made is that all the Gvt paid on the ground workers, as in, the Teachers, Nurses, Regular Defense staff, etc, should have an annual wage increase in relation to the normal rate of inflation or whatever wage increases are measured by. This way we would not have these major battles for increases and are huge percentages of increase.

That aside as well, there are two issues re the Nurses. Pay is only one of them. The over work part is the other and that is not being addressed and in fact asking for more pay will not address it either. We have far too few nurses on the floor. Far too many unskilled workers doing Nursing work. This is only going to get worse if they give Nurses a pay increase and then the Gvt tells the DHB to cut costs.

A friend of ours became a Nurse a couple of years back. Out of 30 in her class, only 5 got jobs to go to. She was lucky because she nominated herself for an area of Healthcare not everyone goes for.
 


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#23 native

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 06:29 PM

As usual i don't understand where you are coming from. What or who's bollocks, maybe Whinstons. Please explain?

 

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#24 lebleaux

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Posted 19 June 2018 - 07:45 PM

With great trepidation I offer the following:

 

Nurses will never be paid what they are worth while the government runs the health system. This is so because the Government sees them as a 'cost' and not an 'asset'. Government management means managing costs, private enterprise understands the real worth of assets and therefore creates value. So ... the long term goal of the nurses should be to get the government out of the business of health delivery. Please note that I DID NOT say get the government out of the business of health - governments create rules and therefore control the environmental conditions in which health delivery operates and as such can ensure access to health care for all.

 

The same is true of the education system.

 

There you go, couldn't resist, hand grenade lobbed .... enjoy.


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Posted 19 June 2018 - 08:26 PM

I think we need an example of a society where this works for all it's citizens :)


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#26 AJ Oliver

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 06:00 AM

Mr. lebleaux -

 

Your post reads like an ACT pamphlet, because it is not true - at least in the US 

 

Here public schools teachers get more pay (and benefits) than private sector teachers. 

 

And the totally socialistic Veterans Admin (where I get my own health care) similarly has better pay and benefits 

 

If you want someone to believe you, how about some sources? 


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#27 Knot Me... maybe

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 09:33 AM

I've been interacting with the heath system a fair bit over the last 3 weeks. Nurses seem busy but don't seem overly stressed, at least the handful I've seen/observed. 

 

A 5hr wait for a CT scan on a Friday arvo before a long weekend, I didn't think it was that bad considering there were people there needed a sticky plaster or a 'kissy wissy for the little booboo' they had. Many should have gone to their GP's not a hospital.

 

But the system is paperwork and administration rich. Which probably explains why it is so slow. I had the opportunity to get to where I am now while in a 3rd world country. That would have taken 5 hours where in NZ its taken 3 weeks to get to the same place. But I declined thinking supposed 1st world NZ would be faster and more efficient than a 3rd word, I was wrong very wrong.

 

But the nurses, all medicals, I've interacted with have been great, including the very large number who were not born with NZ passports. Lovely, helpful and want to help the lot of them.

 

What I have found bizarre is an apparent drive to make sure I'm inside and stay inside ACC even with me saying a few times I'm more than happy to go private. One mob said 'Oh you can't do that, it could make a mess of our ACC funding'. Not sure what she meant but it seemed I was just a number helping them make up some quota or something. Fingers crossed I can swap to private tomorrow.

 

The pay/strike thing is simply them taking the opportunity of a labour party in government, it's the union party and it's payback time. The nurses are only the start.


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#28 Sabre

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 05:00 PM

This is from 2015 when the nurses last negotiated a pay rise.

“From July 4 next year, the pay rate scale for RNs will increase to between $49,449 and $66,755.

Under the new MECA, the senior nurses and midwives pay scale will be between $70,871 and $114,967 from July 4 next year.”

Seems ok to me or am I out of touch?
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#29 harrytom

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 05:09 PM

How much does a nurse earn in New Zealand?
Pay for registered nurses varies depending on experience, duties and responsibilities. New graduate nurses earn about $47,000 a year. Those with three to five years' experience can earn between $54,000 and $68,000.Jun 5, 2018

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 05:30 PM

I think it speaks volumes that they accepted a 4% pay rise in 2015 yet in 2018 a 9% pay rise and 2k cash is “absolutely rejected”
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