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#1 erice

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 08:40 AM

knew it was bad

 

didn't realise it was this bad

 

nz construction pine appears to generally be sold for way less than half the nz price in japan

 

bunnings 

about $14 for 6'

https://www.bunnings....pine_p00130288

 

japan

 

about $4 for 6'

https://www.komeri.c....=0&searc01.y=0
 

in japan cheap construction wood is called SPF 

meaning; spruce, pine, fir

could come from; siberia, nz or canada

once cut you can't really tell the difference

 

why the huge difference?

 

- 15% GST here, 5% there 
- higher staff wages + kiwisaver etc
- lower staff productivity 
- less efficient companies
- less competitive market place
- less bulk buying by retailers

- slightly different standards - no 'pink' treatment needed, slightly more generous cut 

bunnings can hardly bargain with nz forest products by telling them that if they can't match the raw price of logs out of siberia for the year 2020 contract they'll lose the contract

because they just aren't set up for the logistics of accepting logs from there and processing themselves  
 


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 08:51 AM

Are wages in Japan lower than in NZ?
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#3 erice

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 08:54 AM

japan minimum wage 

 

850 yen x 0.75  exchange rate  =  nz$11.40 /hr

 

https://www.bloomber...e-hike-for-2017

 

nz minimum wage nz$16.50

 

https://www.govt.nz/...s/minimum-wage/

 

in nz a big bunnings has about 30? staff, many chatting to each other

 

in japan an equivalent store seems to have about 10? staff, efficiently dashing from job to job with very little time to talk to customers


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#4 Priscilla II

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 09:39 AM

Good old fashioned capitalism,supply demand and profiteering.
Foreign ownership of our forests may have a lot to do with the price and quality of locally sourced lumber.
Whole forests of quality lumber are shipped offshore for end uses like pallets and LVL products whilst the local market encounters ever rising prices and quality is poor.
Japan for several years now has increased its consumption of Tokoroa Teak and if you dig a little deeper the Chinese Government has purchased large tracks of local forests and rather than harvest at 28 year intervals they do it at 20 years.
Pass by any working port in the North Island apart from Auckland and observe the staggering quantity of logs awaiting export.
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Posted 15 September 2018 - 11:18 AM

I would have said competition.

Siberian or Canadian logs / lumber aren't available in NZ.

In Japan it is.

All our forests are offshore owned now anyway.

We are a cornered market...


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#6 Black Panther

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:09 PM


- 15% GST here, 5% there
Wouldn't account for the difference
- higher staff wages + kiwisaver etc
Wouldn't account for the difference
- lower staff productivity
Wouldn't account for the difference
- less efficient companies
??? No idea
- less competitive market place
Could be a big part of the problem
- less bulk buying by retailers
Could be a big part of the problem
- slightly different standards - no 'pink' treatment needed, slightly more generous cut
Wouldn't account for the difference.
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Posted 15 September 2018 - 12:22 PM

try comparing apples with apples, you are looking at dressed certified structural grade timber from bunnings, on that Japanese site I have no idea, it's likely rough sawn green boxing timber.

Remember at bunnings you are paying for the convinence of having everything in one place, a nice shop, staff to talk to, advertising/marketing cost of holding stock, selling in small quantities etc etc etc

The real market price in nz, providing you can plan more than a couple of weeks in advance and go directly to the saw mill less than half of what bunnings are asking for sg8 (although that's undressed)
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#8 erice

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Posted 15 September 2018 - 01:31 PM

the timber sold in japan is equal or better looking than the bunnings timber

 

i know, i buy and use both 

 

certainly some bits have bad knots

 

in both

 

but toilets!

 

toilets there cost $900 - $5,000?

 

here $200 upwards

 

we do cheap crappers


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 01:59 PM

Bunnings should be cheaper than everywhere else considering the NZ taxpayers subsidies it so heavily.

Something they don't do for the NZ owned M10's or Placemakers.


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Posted 15 September 2018 - 04:14 PM

Bunnings should be cheaper than everywhere else considering the NZ taxpayers subsidies it so heavily.

Something they don't do for the NZ owned M10's or Placemakers.

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