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#111 DanInEurope

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Posted 19 November 2018 - 11:07 PM

heres some interesting opinions on kids participation in sport and the effect of "pay to play"

https://www.theatlan...-sports/574975/


Interesting read. Just got a couple of observations.

Norway: I don't think you can base measurement of success on the winter Olympics. Norway have been at the top of that since it's inception and the competitive pool is narrow. It would be like judging American success against world series baseball....

NHL. Interesting how that compares to rugby really. As a like for like contact sport NZ rugby has a very similar ethos and rules about contact and competition at young ages.
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#112 Cazzate

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Posted Yesterday, 06:47 AM

Footage from last weekend of the nsw state titles of  suposedly dying class in Australia (said someone on here who I think may have been mistaken) some homebuilt and production built youth boats

 

very very cool and also quite sad that the flying ant and cherub plus the javelin have  been cast aside here in nz 


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#113 Knot Me... maybe

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Posted Yesterday, 09:45 AM

 plus the javelin have  been cast aside here in nz 

The Javelins are still sailed a fair bit. They travel around and aren't based at any club, as such, even if there is a ASC connection.

 

The Javelins still race for the oldest trophy in NZ yachting, the Sanders Cup, first sailed for in 1921. But the Mullet boats sail for the Lipton Cup, first raced in 1922, but that has been raced for continually where the Sanders stopped during the war.

 

At the YNZ AGM before last Hal Wagstaff wanted the Sanders Cup taken from the Javelins and given to the 29 or 49ers. He did that totally unknown to the Javelins and didn't realise he nor YNZ do not have the power to do that. That's the work of a rude arrogant old bastard in my books. At the last AGM the record was set straight but only after the Jav Association was told a week or 2 before it, no one had spoken or even informed them of this attempted wankery.

 

That is an example of the total disregard that is shown to existing classes by people who claim to be working for the betterment of NZ yachting.


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#114 Vorpal Blade

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Posted Yesterday, 03:34 PM

 

 

The Javelins still race for the oldest trophy in NZ yachting, the Sanders Cup, first sailed for in 1921. But the Mullet boats sail for the Lipton Cup, first raced in 1922, but that has been raced for continually where the Sanders stopped during the war.

 

Bit of a difference here though (aside from the story of how the trophies were appropriated)  the Lipton Cup has always been a Mullet boat gig, the Javs "inherited" their trophy from the X class. 


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#115 DrWatson

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Posted Today, 03:38 AM

Cherub NSW state championshipy.

 

I count about 30 boats on the start line (or over it), seems a pretty good turnout. True, doesn't seem to be a dying class. But how many boats were there at the last state championship, and how many at the state championships 10 y ago? It never feels like a dying class until you slip below the critical mass.

 

But compare to NZ population,

Only NSW residents? Population 7.544 million.

 

So NZ should/could muster perhaps 17 boats if the class was "alive" in NZ, based on the same per population turnout.

 

Maybe it was also open to sailors coming from QLD and VIC as well? (4.69M and 6.53M, resp.) then on population basis NZ might have managed 7 boats... if the SI sailors could be arsed crossing the strait. Is seven boats enough to maintain a class? Kinda hard to believe so.

 

As good and fun as each of these classes are, I think we're still missing the point by looking at the classes. We need to look at sailing as a whole and say "how do we keep the youth, how do we grow this?" Rather than saying, "How do we grow the firebugs?" or the P-class, or even the optis, lasers and skiffs.

 

Rugby does well because there are no "multiple classes" of rugby. You can take your boots and your ball and go play, union, league or touch. there's no additional cash outlay, in fact, you can go play soccer with pretty much the same gear. Having the latest and greatest gear rarely makes you that much better than your peers. Eating more pies might.

 

You can't take your laser and go race with the cherubs.


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You can't take your laser and go race with the cherubs.

you are right we are missing the point .I grew up racing at Sandspit Yacht Club we had in the early years 5 cherubs 6 paper tigers 4 or 5 NZ moths 4 comet windsurfers 5 p classes .the only ones who raced a different course were the Ps there was also the od IA that rurned up a guy with a scorpian cat .It was participatiobn at its best What has transpired is the must have this class or dont come attitude Selfish behaviour of( I am not going to help give out tech info of that kid might beat my little johnny ) I saw this first hand at several opti regattas where a newby had no idea how something worked and no one wanted to help even saw it at one of the big shore clubs when i asked the parent why the little girl quit i was told exactly this we arn't helping ourselves


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