Black Panther 1,568 Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 So what is going on? https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/08-02-2019/russel-norman-nash-and-jones-are-leading-nz-fishing-into-rotten-waters/?fbclid=IwAR28rSlSnsCekT6nADEd3JELHhUdD_ppimkYQbMAmN9WnPxojSuRBHT0SYc 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 So what is going on? https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/08-02-2019/russel-norman-nash-and-jones-are-leading-nz-fishing-into-rotten-waters/?fbclid=IwAR28rSlSnsCekT6nADEd3JELHhUdD_ppimkYQbMAmN9WnPxojSuRBHT0SYc I thought it was obvious. Jones is in the pocket of the fishing industry. He is unashamedly and fairly openly advancing the fishing industry's interests. Take a look at the job he was doing between leaving Labour and joining NZ first - I can't remember the correct title, but something along the lines of the head of the Pacific Fisheries association (or similar) Sounded like a quite amazing junket to me. I seem to recall Tallies made a substantial donation to NZ First last election also. I think its called 'democracy, NZ style'. Just follow the money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11242350 From the article: He has been in talks with Foreign Minister Murray McCully for some time about a possible role in an international fisheries management role and expected that to go through. TV3 reported Mr Jones would be taking on a role of Pacific Economic Ambassador, created by the National Government especially for him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 FISH All that is stated in the link that Black Panther posted + the amount / sum donated. https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/08-02-2019/russel-norman-nash-and-jones-are-leading-nz-fishing-into-rotten-waters/?fbclid=IwAR28rSlSnsCekT6nADEd3JELHhUdD_ppimkYQbMAmN9WnPxojSuRBHT0SYc Looks like you are trying to increase your posting numbers and for the sake of posting. Are you stalking me now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 The EU has the right idea. Just close the fishery as they did because those involved simply could not curb their ever increasing greed but with this Govt, thats never going to happen. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 640 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 The NZ fisheries is more rotten than a week old fish lying in the sun. Big cooperates running MPI. The minister Nash is only a puppet same as Guy was. the corruption is deep inside mpi/maf you only change the minister not the bureaucrats who only report what the minister needs to know. There has been a big trawler built lately that have mincers below the waterline,apprently to put waste down lower to protect sea birds,what else is going down the mincer?? www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/312342/new-flagship-for-maori-fisheries-company Can we leave the personnel attacks out and concentrate on the issue!! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 The NZ fisheries is more rotten than a week old fish lying in the sun. Big cooperates running MPI. The minister Nash is only a puppet same as Guy was. the corruption is deep inside mpi/maf you only change the minister not the bureaucrats who only report what the minister needs to know. This is the problem. For a very long time (at least 20 years) Tally's have been dictating to the then MAF what they will and will not do. In contrast, MAF would dictate to the meat processing industry what they could and could not do. Tally's just wouldn't have a bar of it. That has clearly escalated. Shane Jones is getting about as brazen as you can get now doing the bidding of the industry. Associated issues are the involvement of treaty settlements in the industry. I.e. if the government deemed it necessary to close a fishery due to a collapse of stock, certain industry players (Iwi) would claim this a breach of their treaty settlement. You only need to look to the palava around the Kermadec marine reserve to understand how that plays out. This is of course all separate to the foreign charter vessels (i.e. slave ships) fishing NZ quota, which is controlled by various Iwi. I'd say the solution to NZ's fisheries issues is political, as in NZ First needs to be taken out of the next govt, and following that, some proper pressure applied on the rest of the rotten bureaucracy - the likes of Greenpeace / LegaSea are leading the way there imo. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 640 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 NZF had a good fishing policy,basically word for word of "Legasea" presented by nzf Richard Prossier??but he didnt get in Shane corrupt Jones got in. Kermadec is interesting as Aotea fisheries(largest quota holder)wants fish there as in their eyes it has/was a traditional ground. Fine fish the traditional way back with dug outs and bone hooks. Sealord is interesting as .an interesting venture as its broken in to various operators,dig deep enough and will see who has contracted slave ships. As far as quota goes only person(in my view)to fish it is not the overseas holder or the queen st lawyer (as in milk shares holders).To hold quota you must own the vessel must be onboard to fish quota,this stops sanfords talleys etc to buy 12 ships as you as the holder cannot be onboard all vessels at the same time. In defence to the contract fisherman,it is not their fault they dump stock,do not get what owner wants no pay,no skipper wakes up and says "we gonna catch 2 t of kahawai and dump it as its worth $1.20kg,but being on contract to quota holder this is exactly whats going on. The NZ fisheries has been a pollitcal problem but the pressure is being applied more as MPI minister Stuart Nash has been seen as coming around on some issues and he is listening to recc groups like "Legasea" There have been a couple of slight wins but there is more coming 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 157 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 And here is the riposte from Seafood New Zealand, ripping into Legasea, apparently they are all Eco Warrior Angels. We have nothing to hide but don't put those cameras on the boats eh ! https://www.seafoodnewzealand.org.nz/media/news/news/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=1379&cHash=a2409fe7d383dbfad7c1c7f578ee4f30 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 640 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 And there lies the problem it is Wellington based fishing from seafood nz.. West coast is fishing well due to ban from coast with trawlers due to maui/hector dolphins. The main recreational fishing area,sna1,top of the north island down the east coast to east cape,with long lining danish seining (operating right off rukaka beach taking pilchards etc)trawlers which are allowed inshore,particullary in gulf,just outside kawau outside tiri down to gannet rock across to happy jack. This time last yr 3 sanford longliners working right inside kawau bay/orewa out to tiri,we witnessed the operation over 3days,at least with long lining there is a chance unwanted catch can be released alive,trawler its dead and squashed. Legsea is part nzsfc,without and Scott and team were would we be?? Auckland council could through their power ban trawling within 10 miles of the council jurisdiction as they are responsible for sea fauna,fish stock ,run off storm water/silt but will do nothing so not upset the government. Interesting thing is the cable zone from Takapuna out to sea,its dead no life no fauna nothing and trawling has not taken place in 30yrs or more and nothing has come back. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 376 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Crikey as a young deckhand the gear would go out not far from the North Shore and it was not uncommon to have excess fish on deck scupper deep before you cleared Tiri. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 640 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Crikey as a young deckhand the gear would go out not far from the North Shore and it was not uncommon to have excess fish on deck scupper deep before you cleared Tiri. HaHa remember 1970 staying at Cheltham beach,trawler came out AK no lights and you could here the gear going over the side. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 376 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Probably us. Had whopper load on and we had engine room fire which was doused by the fire brigade on arrival at the Sanford dock in the viaduct, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 640 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 lease is non political. Will not with any party but talks to all parties.maybe visit lease Web site and contact. Hector Maui have heard could be as low as 44 they are not good breeders do not matureyntil about8 and life span 14 yrs 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Five Hector's dolphins killed in fisher's net | RNZ News https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/352940/five-hector-s-dolphins-killed-in-fisher-s-net Says it all really. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 640 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Total ban of set nets except flounder/mullet drag bait nets,as these are used in shallow estuaries etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 West Coast Hector’s dolphin death points to illegal recreational fishing MPI believes that illegal recreational set-netting is to blame for the death of a Hector's dolphin on the West Coast earlier this year. An investigation involving MPI and the Department of Conservation (DOC) was launched after a member of the public found the dead dolphin on Blaketown beach in Greymouth in March. https://www.mpi.govt.nz/news-and-resources/media-releases/west-coast-hectors-dolphin-death-points-to-illegal-recreational-fishing/ Interesting when there is a non clear claim of responsibility the rec Fisher gets the finger pointed at them or is that being unfair to MPI? They did do not report in detail how they come to such findings process or beliefs. Since when do "recreational fishers" have a QUOTA? (""the fact that five Hectors dolphins were caught in a set net to the point where the fisherman himself is so distressed, he's giving up set netting and he's going to catch his quota on longlines"") Speaking of quotas Rehab, what's yours? all All ALL A L L set netting, recreational, professional and iwi has to go...or they will. 9000 left, and counting.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 640 Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 They also catching NZ sea lions. Five New Zealand sea lions have been captured so far this season in the squid fishery around the Auckland Islands. https://www.mpi.govt.nz/news-and-resources/media-releases/sea-lion-captures-in-the-southern-squid-fishery/ out of sight,mpi wont care, but just incase blame the recccs as there might be someone down there Sent a email to my friend at "Legasea" re seafood NZ post rubbishing legasea etc,I can only imagine Poppa Bear will get even very quickly as that was a personel attack on him. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazyhorse 47 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 Crazyhorse seen that the radionz.co.nz is a no no at this particular hub and is blocked for security reasons as it does not have a valid security certificate and the senior manager says its a real threat to our computers so links to the article is not advisable could you copy and paste the item. Perhaps with word then scan with avg for hidden threats.There is this just released by DOCHector's dolphin captures reported by commercial fishers this summerDate: 11 Feb 2019Media contact: MPI media teamTelephone: 029 894 0328Email: media@mpi.govt.nzFisheries New Zealand has received 2 reports from commercial fishers of Hector's dolphins caught during trawl fishing off the East Coast of the South Island this summer. There was one event where 1 dolphin was caught and another where 3 were caught.Manager inshore fisheries Steve Halley says that it was good to see that the fishers reported the captures so quickly."Any captures of these dolphins is extremely disappointing. Hector's dolphins are nationally endangered taonga and we're interested to find out as much as we can about these captures so we can work with the industry to avoid them occurring," says Mr Halley."Prompt reporting by fishers ensures the best opportunity to gather details about these incidents, and in this case, the commercial fishers reported the captures immediately, which enabled recovery of 3 dolphins for necropsy," Mr Halley says.The Department of Conservation, (DOC) will include information about these captures in its Hector's and Māui Dolphin Incident Database, which records date, location and cause of mortalities, where known. Incidents are published on DOC's website quarterly.DOC's manager marine species and threats, Ian Angus says this information will help inform our approach towards protecting Hector's dolphins from human-related activities."We also encourage the public to report beachcast dolphins as soon as possible. The earlier we can examine them, the better information we have to build a picture of the risks posed to these marine mammals."The Hector's and Māui dolphin Threat Management Plan is currently being reviewed by DOC and Fisheries New Zealand with public consultation planned during 2019.Hector's dolphins are listed as nationally endangered, with an estimated population of 15,000.https://www.mpi.govt.nz/news-and-resources/media-releases/hectors-dolphin-captures-reported-by-commercial-fishers-this-summer/ Well, is this blocked for you too!!!? https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/110767355/three-hectors-dolphins-killed-in-net-off-canterbury-coast Another T H R E E Hectors dolphins, dead in nets or is that fake news too? Fisheries Inshore New Zealand chief executive Dr Jeremy Helson said it was a "regrettable and unprecedented" run of deaths. The industry was extremely concerned, he said. We are throwing all our resources into finding out why this is occurring with unusual regularity and we are heading down to Canterbury to talk to the fishers involved." "Resources"? All they have to do is stop nets...period. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 640 Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 "CH" interesting article,but why are still using old world technology to catch fish? Where there is a presence or known presence no netting/trawling within 40 miles of the coast would help. Industry spent a lot of money on a new design net that allows fish to be released alive as the net comes on board full of water,yeah can really see that working in a sea way. https://www.maoritelevision.com/news/latest-news/tiaki-launch-new-technology-replace-trawl-nets Do nothing to save dolphins though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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