Jump to content


Photo

Livewire28?


  • Please log in to reply
12 replies to this topic

#1 MartinRF

MartinRF

    Advanced Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 259 posts
  • LocationStockholm, Sweden

Posted 01 April 2019 - 08:38 AM

Tony Grainger: https://www.grainger...ts/livewire-28/

 

Thoughts?

 

/Martin


  • 0

#2 Knot Me... maybe

Knot Me... maybe

    Advanced Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 6,115 posts

Posted 01 April 2019 - 08:48 AM

Looks fun but what would you do with it?

 

I like the self tacker.


  • 0

#3 SloopJohnB

SloopJohnB

    Advanced Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 6,535 posts
  • LocationPatumahoe

Posted 01 April 2019 - 10:41 AM

Looks fun but what would you do with it?

 

At a guest.......sail it. :oops:


  • 0

"With age comes wisdom .... and with wisdom comes the knowing when to avoid perfection!"


#4 Knot Me... maybe

Knot Me... maybe

    Advanced Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 6,115 posts

Posted 01 April 2019 - 12:21 PM

Your bother must be the nice one ;)

 

Sail it yes and it looks like a bit of fun but sail it in what?

It's hardly a family cruiser and I suspect she'd have little competition (he says with quite a degree of nervousness)

 

Answer 'water' and I will come down there and drain that lake of yours!!!!! :twisted:  :D


  • 0

#5 Ed

Ed

    Advanced Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 565 posts

Posted 01 April 2019 - 04:09 PM

In anything over 10kts it would get owned upwind and down by the 8.5s (yeah yeah, provided there are any racing).

Jib tack is 1.7m back from the bows, and a non overlapper, and the prod is a m shorter than the 8.5's

 

livewire sails sizes vs. 8.5

Main both 35m2

Jib  11, vs a NO1 at 23m2 and a no2 at 14. 11 is likely the size of the no.3

C0 dont have numbers off hand

Kite 50m2 vs around 80 for a typical 8.5m

 

Still weighs about the same, maybe a fraction lighter. Buy an 8.5, it would be much cheaper, a bit quicker and you can do coastal on it


  • 0

#6 MartinRF

MartinRF

    Advanced Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 259 posts
  • LocationStockholm, Sweden

Posted 04 April 2019 - 06:33 AM

So to sum up: No good.

?

 

Myself thinks:

 

* Why only 5 m BOA (I fly a hull in 10 knots of wind with me on the windward side)?

* Will that centre beam really take the fore-stay load with low enough deflection?

* Low, inverted bow profile is very 'modern' but also very impractical.

* Surprisingly high weight estimate for being found in sales material. Maybe honest :-)

* That centre beam is designed with no intention to use it for sealing the foot of the sails. A missed opportunity.

 

/Martin (living in Sweden so buying a 8.5 is not in the books and besides, I am still pretty happy with my old Spyder -- which does not rule out day dreaming/sketching in long winter evenings...)


  • 0

#7 Ed

Ed

    Advanced Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 565 posts

Posted 04 April 2019 - 07:21 AM

I'm not saying its no good, it will certinaly be a fun boat to sail, and Grainger has a good track record of race boats.

Its just if someone here coughed up for one thinking it would be the fastest thing in the small multi fleet they could be in for a bit of a surprise


  • 0

#8 Hurts

Hurts

    Advanced Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 466 posts

Posted 04 April 2019 - 08:45 AM

If you were building new and wanting to race in Auckland then a pretty safe bet would be to build another http://bobfishermari...dirtydeeds.html - maybe getting Bob/Clive to give some pointers on some updates with what they have learnt over the years of racing it. 

 

The damn thing was impossible to beat (sailed well) once it could fly a hull, AND you can get insurance!


  • 0

#9 MartinRF

MartinRF

    Advanced Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 259 posts
  • LocationStockholm, Sweden

Posted 04 April 2019 - 09:31 AM

That's a looker for sure :-)

 

/Martin


  • 0

#10 GregW

GregW

    Advanced Member

  • Advanced Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 994 posts

Posted 04 April 2019 - 06:39 PM

Heres a bit of triv; There was a brief period of interest in the 8.5 class from OZ a few years back. Tony Grainger designed an 8.5 called 'Icebox', none built but looked pretty purposeful.........

Attached Files


  • 0




0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users