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Poll: 10 years or 25 years living, working in NZ to qualify for the free NZ superannuation at age 65. (13 member(s) have cast votes)

10 years or 25 years IMMIGRANTS REFUGEES living, working in NZ to qualify for the free NZ superannuation at age 65.

  1. 10 years NO. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  2. 10 years yes (4 votes [30.77%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.77%

  3. 25 years Yes (6 votes [46.15%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.15%

  4. 25 years No. (1 votes [7.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  5. 30 years Yes (2 votes [15.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

  6. 30 years No. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Do not care. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Do not know (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Do you agree that the NZ superannuation at 65 should be tax free knowning that the gov't workers scheme, the police force, the MP'S, the judges, the judiciary, Gov't workers schemes are all tax free.

  1. Yes (6 votes [46.15%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.15%

  2. No. (5 votes [38.46%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 38.46%

  3. Do not care. (2 votes [15.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.38%

Do you think that overseas immigrants, overseas visitors, overseas working holiday visitors after only 12 months, even they do not have NZ citizenship can vote in our NZ political parliamentary general election as at present they can do. Aussie IS NO

  1. No (6 votes [46.15%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.15%

  2. Yes (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Do not care. (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  4. Do not know (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Hell NO ! (7 votes [53.85%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 53.85%

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#11 Black Panther

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 10:02 AM

Thanks. We will push a little harder.
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Posted 22 May 2019 - 11:23 AM

Also this;

https://communitylaw...re-65-or-older/

 

Specifically;

The main criteria for New Zealand Superannuation (NZ Super) are that:

  • you are 65 or older, and
  • you are ordinarily resident in New Zealand, and you have been both present and resident here for at least 10 years since you turned 20 and for at least five years since you turned 50.

However, some absences from New Zealand are not counted in determining whether you’re eligible for NZ Super, including when you are:

  • absent for medical or surgical treatment
  • a mariner or overseas on a New Zealand registered ship
  • serving overseas in the New Zealand armed services or in those of any Commonwealth country
  • an accredited volunteer for Volunteer Services Abroad, or
  • doing missionary work.

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#13 Black Panther

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Posted 22 May 2019 - 12:16 PM

ThT website seems to contradict itself

You can continue to be paid a proportion of your NZ Super if you leave New Zealand intending to live or travel overseas for more than six months (26 weeks).

Then

You will lose your entitlement to NZ Super if you’re absent from New Zealand, except in the following situations:

You will continue to be eligible for the first 26 weeks of an absence, so long as the absence is for not more than 30 weeks (or if an absence beyond 30 weeks is for reasons beyond your control).
Absences for a cumulative total of up to two years are permitted if they are for medical treatment for you, your partner, a dependent child, or your brother or sister, but only if the Ministry of Health is providing assistance for the treatment.
Entitlement can also continue for up to 156 weeks if the absence from New Zealand is because you’re engaged in full-time voluntary work with an aid agency and you’re not depriving someone else of paid employment.
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Posted 23 May 2019 - 09:56 AM

Why the emphasis on how long you have been here? Shouldn’t it be based on how much tax you have paid? I have an immigrant client that has been here for 10 years, has paid over $6 million tax to nz in that time. Are you denying him super?

 

 

The same can be said for permanent NZ's that have been working since the age 25 that have paid more  than 1oo times more tax than your example but cannot get super after working for 10 years they have to wait 40 years. 


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 10:01 AM

Crikey, it's quite a bit, some people almost get a pay rise when they retire.

 

Qualifying as

Weekly rate

Annual rate

Single: living alone

$411 

 $21,380

Single: sharing

$380

 $19,735

Married, civil union or de facto couple: one partner qualifies (and the other is not included)

$316

 $16,446

Married, civil union or de facto couple: both partners qualify

$633 

 $32,892 

Married, civil union or de facto couple: one partner qualifies and the other is included*

$601

 $31,263

 

Using part time earnings are you. Super is supposed be 60% of the average wage. Last year the average wage  was describe in parliament as $43,000. With the latest minimum wage increase the average wage should even be higher.


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Posted 23 May 2019 - 10:41 AM

 

Also this;

https://communitylaw...re-65-or-older/

 

Specifically;

The main criteria for New Zealand Superannuation (NZ Super) are that:

  • you are 65 or older, and
  • you are ordinarily resident in New Zealand, and you have been both present and resident here for at least 10 years since you turned 20 and for at least five years since you turned 50.

However, some absences from New Zealand are not counted in determining whether you’re eligible for NZ Super, including when you are:

  • absent for medical or surgical treatment
  • a mariner or overseas on a New Zealand registered ship
  • serving overseas in the New Zealand armed services or in those of any Commonwealth country
  • an accredited volunteer for Volunteer Services Abroad, or
  • doing missionary work.

 

 

To answer your illustration and make a illustration to the other posters is the fact that the 10 year qualifying period applies to all the pacific islands including TAHITI and NEW CALEDONIA. What's the French islands got to do with nz or Australians. Can Nz's do the same in there territories. No.

 

What they can do at the moment to get a retirement pension is that at age 55 come to NZ live on the dole for 10 years then return to their homeland island and get the full pension under a special clause within the superannuation act a clause especially for the Cook Islands and Samoa. Is that fair. NO.

 

Now do not state they are NZ territories because before they come the taxes that they pay in their islands home lands are not transferred to NZ.  Nz's can move to either the Cook Islands or Samoa and get the full pension.   My was stopped after six months boating out side the NZ territories requirement. You can get around this by flying home for a short period to NZ [ 14 days ] and return to your vessel. IT there is some grey area concerning re the nz registered vessel definition being a new NZ home depending who your case manager is. I agree it should not matter whether you are living in NZ as a NZ resident or on a boat or doing a 9 month / 12 month world tour with your retirement time. You should get the full pension. Some Nz's have payed taxes for 40 years and some have paid as a contributor with their employer into the fund for more than 25 years but can't get the pension. At present the NZ super is a non contributory scheme.

 

For those who state they have paid the taxes for 10 years most of that at present is being used to build delayed roads, delayed hospitals catch up, teacher shortages and salaries increases to attract people to the profession, young doctors work conditions, subsidise passenger transport systems, rebuild churches and sport stadiums and staging sporting  events and marinas. 

 

IT the bit  . a mariner or overseas on a New Zealand registered ship is used to cover I think the NZ navy personnel, mariners on commercial ships and volunteers abroad, merchant ship mariners. Commercial ships and merchant vessels workers - take 12 months or more leave without pay before resigning / leaving employment. On a merchant vessel or commercial vessel those vessels some have cabins similar to the interisland ferries that you pay which includes food, which is a cheaper than a air fare, commercial passenger vessel and some yachts that charge to be on board as a crew member.


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 01:11 PM

Additionally IT yours, income support  and mine interpretation re the word ships.

 

How many times have you seen yachting commentators the news media, boating magazines refer to vessels on trailers as ships, how many times have the yachting fraternity referred to or refer to vessels with sails as ships, how many children when motoring with their parents and ask what are those things on the water with stick and rags fluttering from them are told they are ships,  how many times are the AC boats referred to as ships? How many times are cabin cruisers referred as ships and how many times have super yachts been referred to ships? How many times have you called all those or replied ships? How many times on this website have they been called ships?

 

Why is there not a sub forum title all things related to ships?

 

Why are canal boats and house boats not called ships?


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 04:28 PM

It means a NZ registered ship. So the vessel needs to be registered under part A or B of the Act. 

This exact issue is discussed in the Bill that I linked to earlier, and was passed into law in the Act amendment, also linked above. That some case mangers don't seem to know about the amendment is not surprising, but they are wrong. You ARE entitled to your super while travelling, and no longer do you have to come back before 26 weeks etc.

Talk to the overseas specialists, or get a lawyer involved if you have to. Front counter staff are likely no good.

Here are the contact details;

https://www.workandi...l-services.html


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 05:06 PM

It means a NZ registered ship. So the vessel needs to be registered under part A or B of the Act. 

 

 

Yeah, but isn't BP trying to dodge NZ Registration (and Cat 1) and register in Timbuktu, which would mean hes not on a NZ registered ship, and hence cant get the pension?

 

Karma is a wonderful thing  :razz:


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Posted 24 May 2019 - 05:11 PM

I've got 2 more years to decide whether it's worth it
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