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Most teachers say they work 70 hours P.W which = $22.00 P. Hour while the avg hourly Rate is $33.00 P.H. The Gov't offer for the two year past period is $10, 000 spread over 3 years. The offer should be $20,000 P.A. or more ..

  1. YES (4 votes [57.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  2. Do not Know (3 votes [42.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

Mosti Cabinet Ministers earn nearly $300,000 around $250,000 more than the average NZ salary of around $50,000. A backbench MP with no additional responsibilities earns $160,000, while p teacher salary starts at $48,000...

  1. Gov't Offer should be 25,000 P.A immediately as the class rooms and new schools canot be built for another 3 years in order class room sizes can be reduced (1 votes [14.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  2. Gov't Offer should be 30,000 P.A immediately as the class rooms and new schools canot be built for another 3 years in order class room sizes can be reduced (2 votes [28.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  3. Gov't Offer should be 35,000 P.A immediately as the class rooms and new schools canot be built for another 3 years in order class room sizes can be reduced (2 votes [28.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  4. Gov't Offer should be 37,500, P.A immediately as the class rooms and new schools canot be built for another 3 years in order class room sizes can be reduced (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Gov't Offer should be 40,000 P.A immediately as the class rooms and new schools canot be built for another 3 years in order class room sizes can be reduced (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Do not know (2 votes [28.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

Is the Teachers and teachers principal strike justified and I support the teachers strike and demands %100 unconditionally .

  1. Yes (4 votes [57.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  2. Do not know (3 votes [42.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

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#21 southernman

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 12:36 PM

Can't agree. Let's see here. My grandad was a school principal, mum to. My wife is a preschool teacher. All of them, and most of their long term teaching friends work WAY more than 40 hour weeks. Jo does 3-4 hours extra each evening, and most weekends. The kids education and wellbeing is her priority. Her work is renowned for being able to manage "difficult" kids (and often parents to). Police are there often. Cyps are involved weekly, but only in very bad cases. Many more children require help they can't get. Teachers try to provide what they can. Holiday periods are no longer holidays, at least 1/2 the time now they are "on call" if not actually at work. This is a job that requires real dedication, it certainly is not done for the $.
Private centres generally pay less, have fewer qualified staff, and higher child to teacher ratios.
Rules and regs in this sector are more complex every year. There is a large paperwork component. Teachers come home with bruises, but can't defend themselves....
Unfortunately, over the years, salaries and conditions have been eroded by successive governments relying on the dedication of teachers to keep going regardless. Time for an equalisation.

 

Mostly agree with you IT, for some schools, however there are many schools that are the opposite or at least balanced.  The main question has to be that throwing more money at teachers won't produce better results will it?  

 

There is less and less parent input into schools and kids turn up unprepared for learning.  Address the poor parenting and then address most of the school issues you mentioned above.  

 

Then again if you have kids, address the issue and send them private, yes it's a lot of money but the results and teacher to kid ratio is somewhere closer to where it should be to enable a proper learning environment.  


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Posted 06 June 2019 - 02:35 PM

Again, its not (just) pay. It's conditions - sufficient support resources, staffing, and special services as well. This is actually a considerable proportion of the $$ required to fix the issues.


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Posted 07 June 2019 - 12:51 PM

Of course teachers contribute more than MPs but there are 50,000 of them. The top 100 best teachers also probably contribute more than the 100 MP’s but, due to the union they all get paid the same as the bottom 100.

I’d rather be a teacher than an MP, they get far more respect and job satisfaction generally BUT you do need MPs who aren’t completely retarded (otherwise we are all screwed) hence the pay difference - offer me 160K to be an MP and I’d tell you to get stuffed.

You can't say that unless you have been a MP as well as a teacher. The number has got nothing to do with it. Have NZ as dictatorship then vote every three years for PM as a dictator only and that pay them person $5 M. P.A.

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Posted 07 June 2019 - 12:58 PM

Many do ,its not a 9.00 to 3.00/3.30 mon/fri

Most are at school by 8.00 do not leave till 4.30 go home mark exams,set out next days work. Secondary teachers may teach yr 9 today then yr 13 tomorrow,chip in $$ where students are unable to pay for a trip etc after school exam coaching,sports

 

Australian equivalent   $92,148  https://au.indeed.co...eacher-Salaries

 

New Zealand NZ$61,813 https://www.payscale..._Teacher/Salary

 

Australia class size 28 students

New Zealand class size  33 at my boys school

 

 

$61,813 is not much for a secondary school teacher to start on although $20,000 more than a primary teacher. Can you enlighten some on what qualifications one would need to have to start as a Sec Sch teacher and how long it takes to get same and where.

 

Thanks Good to actually see a teacher on the poll and forum.

 

Some progress has been made as the next strike has been cancelled by the PPTA - announced this morning.


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Posted 07 June 2019 - 01:01 PM

If you don't like your pay maybe change professions,Its like people buying a house by a motorway then complaining about the noise,everyone knows teaching pay is low.I did an adult apprenticeship at 30 best thing I ever did.

 

Some are and it has been quoted and  where would the Gov't, schools, children, parents be if they resigned in MASS like 250 or more each time.


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Posted 07 June 2019 - 01:11 PM

The Government has offered primary and secondary school teachers $1.2 billion worth of pay rises and other improvements

 

“The current teachers’ claims would cost the Government $3.9 billion - which on a like for like basis is a third of total new Government spending in the last Budget

 

“Our offers will see most primary school teachers get a pay rise of $10,000 over the next two years.

 

https://www.beehive....st-offer-decade

Yes, but covers the two past years that they have been negotiating and one year to next year when it starts again. $10,000 divide by three = $3,333.

Nice quoting all new spending,  in your post that's not much, as the teachers issues are at crisis point same with the young doctors and it is hard to say that for the rest of the new spending.  Education in NZ deserves the best, for the teachers and children. JA says she is all for helping children and should have the best opportunities available to them but does not appear to have the same enthusiasm, philosophy  when it comes to educating them.


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Posted 07 June 2019 - 01:13 PM

Four posts in a row.

Must be a bloody good conversation your having with yourself there relapsed.


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Posted 07 June 2019 - 01:16 PM

The issue is not primarily one of pay, its conditions and resources. And it needs to be updated to modern requirements.

 Can you please elaborate and define modern requirements. Isn't Harrytoms example between Australian salaries and NZ salaries a example of modern requirements The Aussie figure.


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Posted 07 June 2019 - 01:21 PM

Agree. Behind many pay claims is a union that's done a sub-standard job.

 

Unions know this Government would not have got there without their support in all areas inc very large sums of coin, so they want payback for that support. Why this seems a surprise to so many is beyond me, it was inevitable.

 A very cynical view. They voted LAB because they got nowhere with NATS like the HOSPITALS and DOCTORS. 50,000 votes is that how many they won by ???  I thought it was NZF and they greens that made this Gov't not the teachers.


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Posted 07 June 2019 - 01:25 PM

I do think that the teachers are currently underpaid, but I think the current offer is pretty fair. 

I don't agree with the 9 years of neglect argument, National was incentivising teachers to work in Auckland and creating hugely successful charter schools which paid goo teachers more.

 

Labour has scrapped all these !!

 

Any teacher working 70 hours a week is either brand new at the job or extremely inefficient!

The teacher shortage was solved pretty quickly by bringing in willing teachers from oversea's.

 

It can't be too bad a job, I keep getting facebook message from my teacher friends busy mountain biking, skiing and cruising in the holidays. 

 They to deserve a live. Are you begrudging them having a holiday like most? Some take their holidays other than the Xmas period. If you do not have holidays or relaxation - Burnout, resigning  or Counselling is required is the usual result.


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