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Most teachers say they work 70 hours P.W which = $22.00 P. Hour while the avg hourly Rate is $33.00 P.H. The Gov't offer for the two year past period is $10, 000 spread over 3 years. The offer should be $20,000 P.A. or more ..

  1. YES (4 votes [57.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  2. Do not Know (3 votes [42.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

Mosti Cabinet Ministers earn nearly $300,000 around $250,000 more than the average NZ salary of around $50,000. A backbench MP with no additional responsibilities earns $160,000, while p teacher salary starts at $48,000...

  1. Gov't Offer should be 25,000 P.A immediately as the class rooms and new schools canot be built for another 3 years in order class room sizes can be reduced (1 votes [14.29%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  2. Gov't Offer should be 30,000 P.A immediately as the class rooms and new schools canot be built for another 3 years in order class room sizes can be reduced (2 votes [28.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  3. Gov't Offer should be 35,000 P.A immediately as the class rooms and new schools canot be built for another 3 years in order class room sizes can be reduced (2 votes [28.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

  4. Gov't Offer should be 37,500, P.A immediately as the class rooms and new schools canot be built for another 3 years in order class room sizes can be reduced (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  5. Gov't Offer should be 40,000 P.A immediately as the class rooms and new schools canot be built for another 3 years in order class room sizes can be reduced (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Do not know (2 votes [28.57%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.57%

Is the Teachers and teachers principal strike justified and I support the teachers strike and demands %100 unconditionally .

  1. Yes (4 votes [57.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 57.14%

  2. Do not know (3 votes [42.86%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 42.86%

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Posted 15 June 2019 - 11:16 AM

Re The school teachers pay and strikes issues to be forward on  topic.

 

Disappointed with the news media that did not mention the suggested offer was for union members only and in fact the offer also appears that the teachers did not gain a lot as the extra $271 M, they the news media and gov't statements is not really extra in the larger picture because it is clawed back by a reduction for the same amount or more with cuts to other funds that was to be allocated to other sectors in the education system.

 

No mention of a  hourly rate for part timers or relieving teachers only salaries PA.

 

I can see why the unions have recommended it, Non union members get nothing to qualify they have to be members. Watch a rush to be union members and the unions monetary funds increase to fight even longer strikes.

 

If accepted could cause more problems than it solves. Part timers and relieving teachers should force them to free lance at their homes giving extra teaching to kids that require extra tuition after school and on Saturdays morns - Sunday afternoons at $20 per hour or what ever hours they choose / be good for a married couple relieving teachers taking 10 to 15 kids at a tuition session /  couples with different qualified subject skills. It would be extremely lucrative at say 4 hours  per  evening.. No work load and paper work. Get a school curriculum and advertise. 10 times 15 == 150 times 20 $300 per hour times 4 $1200 per day - times 3 = $900 -  times 2 = $600 No  over crowed sessions, no stress.


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Posted 15 June 2019 - 03:06 PM

How many kids can you teach before it's considered a private school and must be licensed = paperwork and bureaucratic nonsense?
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Posted 16 June 2019 - 10:50 AM

Had to larf when non union members bleat about having to wait 3 months for the $1500 gift.

Politically opposed to unions but greedy enough to want to participate in the rewards gained by fee paying union members whose unpaid strike action forced the government to quite rightly so IMHO upwardly adjust the teachers pay scale.

Bit akin those who do not vote and bang on endlessly about societies shortcomings and errors.


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Posted 18 June 2019 - 12:36 PM

Had to larf when non union members bleat about having to wait 3 months for the $1500 gift.

Politically opposed to unions but greedy enough to want to participate in the rewards gained by fee paying union members whose unpaid strike action forced the government to quite rightly so IMHO upwardly adjust the teachers pay scale.

Bit akin those who do not vote and bang on endlessly about societies shortcomings and errors.

 The proposed agreement which has not been accepted by the voting union members which has been received with mixed reactions .

 

https://www.nzherald...jectid=12240419

 

Another issue with the proposed agreement is that principals in small schools [ rural towns presumably ] will receive less than senior teachers which they are objecting to. What do principals do? Paper work,  roster organisation, teacher co-organization work only. Do they do any teaching either if teachers are on sick leave or as part of their contract requirements. Does a principal aged 40 years warrant more pay than a senior teacher aged 55 years or older. Does the negotiations cover private schools? do not think so.

 

The offer should be rejected and continue with mass strikes until all issues are settled because they might not get another chance to do so... The Gov't offer at present of $271 M is of set by reductions in other sectors of their education areas if they accepted it, which they should not accept. So there has not been a satisfactory agreement reach or a  increase offer with the teachers or students, PUBLIC.


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Posted 18 June 2019 - 04:13 PM

Never settle on one issue when there are other bigger issues.while the govt offer maybe tempting hold off settling.
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Posted 19 June 2019 - 10:41 AM

Never settle on one issue when there are other bigger issues.while the govt offer maybe tempting hold off settling.

 

Totally agree they should vote down the ministers latest offer. Support required HT.

 

Main page news this morning re 5 school teacher principals with some narrow minded views and stipulations. A year 7 female student, who has been playing rugby since she was 5 in mixed teams and has won many rugby awards was selected to represent her school in there area first XIV rugby school team champs with the only female player in the competition. She was forced to withdraw because the 5 school teachers principals told her if she played her team would not receive any points.


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Posted 25 June 2019 - 11:28 AM

Has the latest voting result by the members for the increased pay offer been announced?


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Posted 26 June 2019 - 12:47 PM

Here it is. Would you believe the principals have bee rated on by the teachers Do not expect the principals to support the teachers in future,

 

Primary teachers say yes, principals say no to latest collective agreement offers.

 

 

 

 

 

"Primary teachers have voted "resoundingly in favour" of accepting the Government's latest collective agreement offer worth $1.5 billion, yet principals have rejected theirs.

 

 

The twin decisions were announced to New Zealand Educational Institute (NZEI) Te Riu Roa members in an email on Wednesday morning and followed the largest education strike in New Zealand history.

 

NZEI president Lynda Stuart told members she was "immensely proud" and the decision means teachers now had a significant pay increase and a unified pay scale with their secondary teacher counterparts. Principals, however, are now gearing up to fight for better pay and conditions.

 

 

"Complex workload issues remain, and the improved offer to teachers also amplifies issues around pay relativity for principals of smaller schools.

"We are urgently seeking to return to the table with the Government to seek to resolve these issues, and are consulting with principal members about action they can take if the Government fails to move," Stuart wrote.

While the offer to teachers was recently improved, the offer to principals remained largely unchanged, Stuart said.

 

"If principals had accepted this offer, the principals in some of our smallest schools would have been paid less than deputy principals in some larger schools," Stuart told media on Wednesday.

 

Ministry of Education secretary for education Iona Holsted said the agency was "disappointed" with principals' decision to reject the "substantial offer made to them."

"In rejecting the offer, only 1900 primary principals have walked away from an immediate $1500 payment and pay rises on 1 July of up to 13 per cent for over 500 principals.

"These principals are in our smaller schools of fewer than 100 students. Principals in these schools would have moved to a minimum of  

 

            $102,898 after three years - an extra $15,000," Holsted said.

 

Despite the decision, the ministry remained available to meet with NZEI to discuss how the offer "could be repackaged within the existing envelope for primary principals."

"Pay parity between primary and secondary principals is a much more complex issue than it is between teachers," Holsted added

 

 

 

 

However, National's education spokeswoman Nikki Kaye was critical of the principals' offer.

 

 

"Education Minister Chris Hipkins personally negotiated these deals, so he needs to answer some questions around how he thought a deal would be acceptable when a group of deputy principals and some teachers will earn more than principals.

 

"Some primary principals have raised serious questions about how we incentivise people to become principals when some teachers are going to earn more money than them," Kaye said.

 

 

 

 

Hipkins was due to front media on the respective vote results on Wednesday afternoon.

 

Earlier this month, the Post Primary Teachers' Association (PPTA) and NZEI recommended that revised offers from the Government be ratified.

 

Union members had until Tuesday night to cast votes on whether to settle or reject the offer which would reinstate pay parity, give a one-off $1500 payment to full-time teachers and principals, and would be extended to expire in 2022. and included an accord.

The new teachers' agreement will take effect from July 1, with a three-month delay in the terms and conditions coming into force for non-union members.

 

Hipkins had previously maintained that Government's offer to primary and secondary teachers would not be increased. Some of the cash for the $271 million increase came from off-set costs saved from the communities of learning sector.

 

Primary teachers and principals walked off the job three times, once with secondary teachers on May 29.

 

Secondary teachers have started their week of union meetings to discuss their offers of settlement.

Secondary principals are next in line to negotiate their agreements, as well as the early childhood education sector and kindergarten teachers."

 

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Posted 26 June 2019 - 02:37 PM

I think I can understand why the Primary teachers are going to accept and the Principles to reject.Who knows what the Secondary teachers will do Thursday afternoon?

 

Not knowing what the percentages are,if a Primary teacher salary is/was (Mr Google shows $22.30ph or $56k)if the percentage of increase was 3% that is a substantial increase =$22.96 ph or $57.680k

 

Principle salary Primary $97k  + 3%= $99k not really a significant increase.


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Posted 27 June 2019 - 02:29 PM

I think I can understand why the Primary teachers are going to accept and the Principles to reject.Who knows what the Secondary teachers will do Thursday afternoon?

 

Not knowing what the percentages are,if a Primary teacher salary is/was (Mr Google shows $22.30ph or $56k)if the percentage of increase was 3% that is a substantial increase =$22.96 ph or $57.680k

 

Principle salary Primary $97k  + 3%= $99k not really a significant increase.

 

"$102,898 after three years - an extra $15,000," Holsted said".  The article said. "   That's with qualifications. Which does equate  to 3% per year compounding for 3 years., Where and what area the additional amount is recuperated from other educational sectors they have not stated. GREAT HOW JUST ABOUT EVERY TIME THEY SAY THERE IS NO MORE MONEY AVAILABLE BY THIS GOV"T before a settlement is reach AND THE NEXT DAY AFTER THEIR OFFER are  ACCEPTED THEY ANNOUCE AN EXTRA $2b dollars extra as a result of a increased tax take and GST from rising prices,. The teachers that it covers has dropped from 50,000 to 30,000 teachers and 2000 teacher principal's

 

THE EXTRA $2B announcement should make the  principals and the Secondary school principals' and teachers all the more determined to stand united, and the  GOV'T cannot use the excuse that their is no more money available when there is more money available. FIRST, FIRST SERVED . Go the Primary & Secondary school teachers and principals.

 

Question: can a school run without a Principal in attendance?


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