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Posted 22 August 2019 - 11:46 AM

Black Panthers talking about making cat 1 for cruisers optional, nothing to do with what your on about, maybe if you calmed down a bit and read the posts before yelling you might make some relevant responses.

 

and who makes the CAT 1 regs. Go to the web site and read about us and who they are and what they do. Yes admittedly racing but the NZ governing department that decides what regs to be applied for all NZ recreational vessels leaving NZ waters, have decided the best regs exist - namely CAT 1. They seem relevant. Yes.


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Posted 22 August 2019 - 12:01 PM

The government makes all sorts of regulations, doesn't mean we have to agree with them, nor does it mean they are correct or fit for purpose. You have led a very sheltered life if you believe governments get it right all the time.

A number of people here are expressing an opinion with some good reasons, the outfits you are referring to are not asking for submissions on upcoming reviews from the public and we have been given aback door to the process.

The offshore passage rescues of late I have heard about have all been yachts with cat 1. Have not heard of any foreign cruisers coming to grief leaving here lately.

Have no objection to Cat one OSR or whatever you like to call it being a guide. A guide that needs review periodically and need not be mandatory. Our current regulations are a very poor cut and paste from the offshore regs, with some random input from some local "experts" and old rules, making it a very difficult to read, self contradictory out of date prescription. 


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Posted 22 August 2019 - 12:17 PM

Plus there is no evidence that cruisers who get cat one are "safer" than those who dont. In fact early investigation suggests the opposite.
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Posted 23 August 2019 - 11:08 AM

Plus there is no evidence that cruisers who get cat one are "safer" than those who dont. In fact early investigation suggests the opposite.


Black panther do you have a link to the report / investigations you refer to?
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Posted 23 August 2019 - 11:17 AM

The government makes all sorts of regulations, doesn't mean we have to agree with them, nor does it mean they are correct or fit for purpose. You have led a very sheltered life if you believe governments get it right all the time.
A number of people here are expressing an opinion with some good reasons, the outfits you are referring to are not asking for submissions on upcoming reviews from the public and we have been given aback door to the process.
The offshore passage rescues of late I have heard about have all been yachts with cat 1. Have not heard of any foreign cruisers coming to grief leaving here lately.
Have no objection to Cat one OSR or whatever you like to call it being a guide. A guide that needs review periodically and need not be mandatory. Our current regulations are a very poor cut and paste from the offshore regs, with some random input from some local "experts" and old rules, making it a very difficult to read, self contradictory out of date prescription.


What about the two IT referred too recently?
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Posted 23 August 2019 - 12:13 PM

Black panther do you have a link to the report / investigations you refer to?


I did it and reported on it here. Have a search around.


In short i got the number of NZ and overseas boats that departed NZ over 15 or 20 years . This from NZ customs. Then i got the list of calls for assistance from recreational vessels leaving NZ over the same time period from MRC. By conflating the two i was able to ascertain that (non cat 1) overseas boats were significantly less likely to require rescue than NZ (cat1) boats. About 30% from memory.

Not scientific nor definitive but a good start considering no one else was doing it.
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