Young Entertainer 59 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Gutted that the E division at Bay of Islands looks great an I am not going to be there until next year so I am on a crusade to get a similar division for BMW. I would prefer restricted as I dont have the deck gear or a kite yet, but I will sort that if required. I have a Lidgard 29 and will be there so I am looking for an Whiting 29's Farr 9.2's, Carpenter 29's, Davidson 28's, Marauders, Townson 26's, even Young 88's who want to spend three days looking at my stern to let me know. Having been involved with arranging the first two I am sure that if we can secure the numbers I can convince the organisers to give us a division that suits or needs, either post here or PM me your details and I will coordinate. At this stage I am thinking general Handicap rather than PHRF as well as I havent got that sorted either, But I dont really care anything is possible if the raicng is going to be good. Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 511 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Get AC out there with his new sails Link to post Share on other sites
Young Entertainer 59 Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 and even AC if keen, suggestion has been made that there should be penalties for those not entering into the cruising sprit and are found to be carring an empty fridge Go the mighty Tiaoga Iti!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Hurts 6 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 According to the BMW web site: http://www.bmwaucklandregatta.co.nz there is an E division: E Division PHRF Ratings below .700 Not 100% of the exact criteria for the BOI E div - looks to be below .73 ish Or are you meaning the equivalent of the BOI passage racing divisions? Link to post Share on other sites
Grinna 2 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Cruising boats don't have a PHRF rating ....... unless they're racing boats pretending to be cruising boats. Link to post Share on other sites
Young Entertainer 59 Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 BMW does have the E division but from memory they have yet to receive a single entry in this division, and if you look at the range on the boats that I have mentions they kind of go from .65 to .73 so would end up split between two divisions anyway. I know that the orgnaisers are happy accomodate any divisional structure provided that the numbers make sense, so 5 -7 boats all wanting the same thing have a good chance of getting it. In my opinion there is little point in sitting around waiting for the orgainsers to come up with the perfect division when I can have a go at putting it together myself and make their life easier So whos keen to look at the arse end of a lidgard for three days? Give me call 021 286 1510 if you want to know more, most important things to sort are the handicapping system (PHRF vs General), and if we wnat kites or not. Link to post Share on other sites
Hurts 6 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 The passage racing division that the BOI week has is the thing that the BMW should think about IMHO - on their entry list there are 54 boats doing W/L etc and 19 in the passage division - it seems to have increased the participation by 35% ( guess there would be some cannibalization of the other divisions) not everyone wants to do 4 W/L in a day. It can't be that hard to go "you slackers - piss off around rangitoto/passage rock/waiheke/gannet rock/rakino while we set up and run the shuttle runs for the elite guys". I'd be quite keen to join the slackers. Link to post Share on other sites
Young Entertainer 59 Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 I'd be in for a passage division, and I am sure that we could get one included as it has been talked about before for the classics, so what about this Passage Division - General handicap, Restricted/Unresticted?, One passage race a day(three in total), Do a single W/L at the end of Saturday, open to any boat that doesn't want to enter one of the other divisions. Does any one know how long the passage races are at BOI - I am thinking between 15 - 25 miles per race which would let us watch the start of the first race and be back by the end of the last Tiaoga Iti and Lionmark would make two so now we just need to find three more!! Link to post Share on other sites
Hurts 6 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 I'd prefer to be able to use spinnakers as I hate going downwind with plain sail but if you get a passage division going of any variety I'll show up. Link to post Share on other sites
Young Entertainer 59 Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 I wouldbe happy with kites as well, all it means is that I need to get my a in g and install a downhaul and tweakers before then. Will be asking BBYC and RNZYS to add a note to there weekly e-mails to see if we can get the numbers Link to post Share on other sites
markm 30 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 BoI passage races look to be around 3 - 4.5 hours, I'd guess 15-22 miles. A good third or more of the division look to be ex w/l boats so I think there's quite a bit of movement within divisions rather than purely attracting new boats, no entries in the 'passage no extras' division though. A.W.O.L., my impression has been that a no extras division in BMW has been offered in the past but it was a requirement for a PHRF as much as anything that put people off, that and possibly racing on the Friday. Good luck getting something together. Link to post Share on other sites
Young Entertainer 59 Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 I agree with you Markm that the PHRF part has been putting people off, but I can get this division under general handicap (need to make sure they are set by a suitably influenced person). So Passage Racing with extras on General Handicap seems the way to go all I need now is three more friends!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Hurts 6 Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Good place to start might be: Charlatan Fulmar Fun-n-Games Terminator They are all Auckland boats (I think) entered in the BOI passage div - it's obviously something that they are interested in. Link to post Share on other sites
Young Entertainer 59 Posted January 12, 2010 Author Share Posted January 12, 2010 I have had a positive reponse from the organisers, with a minimum number of 6 to get our division. I have asked all of the local clubs to add it to there next electronic newsletters and will aim to collate the first six entries Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Good place to start might be: Charlatan Fulmar Fun-n-Games Terminator They are all Auckland boats (I think) entered in the BOI passage div - it's obviously something that they are interested in. Yes Charlatan is a Weiti boat. Haven't looked at BMW as it is generally hard out ultra competitive windward leewards. BoI on the other hand is a good excuse to piss about in boats for a week. Good racing combined with good socialising. The North's tent on Opua wharf is a central socialising point, and the Roberton Island beach party is a ripper. BMW has been working on it but the lack of one location for a focal point tends to defuse things from and 'event' point of view and makes it more of a 'competitive' regatta without the post race scillyness BoI is good for. Would be interested in Premier Passage div, definatly need spinnakers, and would use PHRF. Taking the Friday off is a bit of a hassle though, can't do much about that though. Link to post Share on other sites
Young Entertainer 59 Posted January 12, 2010 Author Share Posted January 12, 2010 The Saturday night is the main function at BBYC, including live band etc, If you were going to travel I would recommend a marina at Halfmoon Bay, free ferries will run to RNZYS when the aftermatch funciton is there. Interesting point about Friday, Original regatta had the cruising diviison doing only Saturday and Sunday so that is an option. I am pretty much waiting to get six boats keen and then I figure we set the rules amongst those boats, put our entries to the organisers on that basis and then let others enter. So far at four expressions of interest anbd would like ten to bit more work to be done yet Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 511 Posted January 12, 2010 Share Posted January 12, 2010 Actually due to a booking clash this year, the saturday night party will be at the squadron. But the band will be awesome and their last sailing gig so they will be going all out Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 Yeah, Nah... Had a look at the NoR and have been advised I'm out of town at a wedding, which is good as it means I don't need to confirm individual crew names with my entry, nor organise a support boat to fly a flag with my sail number on it (being a 6T cruising boat I'm sure we don't need a support boat to carry our rum!), all just to do 5 windward leewards without a spinnaker With the tone of the BMW, I don't think a cruising division sits that well. Very good for top end racing but think our dacron sails might be a bit out of place. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 I wondered wha tyou were on about with the support boat so I went to have a look at the NOR, couldn't get it to open so gave up. Link to post Share on other sites
Young Entertainer 59 Posted January 13, 2010 Author Share Posted January 13, 2010 the named crew and support boat carrying your spare sails and gear is based on one thing - you want to compete in the BMW sailing cup if invited. Given that this would be a passage division I had no intention of the winner progressing any further, You have to remember that for the serious sailors there is the best prize avaialble in NZ amatuer yachting so the organisers need to be careful. For all the rest classics included this year it is what you make if it. Link to post Share on other sites
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