Zoe 8 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 I remember getting my boat ready for the one Coastal we did - it cost a fortune and I couldn't even finish the race because it was a drifter and I had to be in Russell on Saturday morning for my work duties! The next year it was too windy and we hitched a ride on Zana - which was pretty awesome I have to say but not the same as finishing the race in my own boat. It isn't necessarily right, but it's the world we live in these days. Everyone is so safety conscious and we have less and less freedom to figure it out for ourselves. Even my kindergartener was given a bright yellow safety vest to get to the car in the kindy carpark. I am not exactly happy about it either, but the way I see it is that you can bag YNZ for it all that you want, but they are actually the good guys and working for our interests as best they can. The way it works is that the government basically charters YNZ to look after safety in yachting. If YNZ didn't do it, you might find a government department looking after it, and that it would be much, much worse. I was on the KORC committee for a few years and I can tell you that the guys there are did as much as possible to slow the pace of change, whilst honouring their responsibilities. I remember some discussions about gas fitting regulations, and they have it a lot tougher in Australia. I am out of date with what has happened in the last couple of years with specific aspects of safety, but if you have genuine concerns about aspects of the regs, they are very approachable and will talk things through with you. Link to post Share on other sites
Changed 10 Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 As a matter of interest which pieces of cat 3 safety gear are deamed to be unnecessary? The thing about safety gear is that most of us willl be the better for it if we just have to throw it away. Flares are one area where I would likely cut back. Just given the advances in elctronic technology. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 14, 2012 Share Posted September 14, 2012 It appears the more research we do YNZ catergory certs dont mean sh*t there is no consistancy with inspectors and the head inspector does not have A farking clue .Stated rules are not adheared too some boats will be failed while others pased for the same thing So Give it a go case precedent says you should get a pass if not state case precedent just make sure you have your ducks all rowed up HNF, I think nzrat might have a good point, give it a go. And if you can;t get certification then sail the course anyway (I'm sure I'll get bagged for that comment but what the hell, a couple of windsurfers have done it so why not you?)! Too right. I got the big 'No way' back with a 24ft sporty I built..... so I loaded it with beers and went anyway. Had a frecking great ride up and back, even lived to talk about it Link to post Share on other sites
203 0 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 In my opinion, If everyones carrying all the same safety gear, Your not really having a handicap being put on you, because every other boat has the same disadvantage.. If it does come to abandoning your yacht, I bet you'll be bloody great full you have a life raft and hand-held VHF Link to post Share on other sites
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Guest Saturday Night Special Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Well Mr 203 if you have to even think of abandoning your yacht there is a major problem first up .I think the emphasis has been to much (By Head w^&#$@r of safty at ynz) on safety gear not on the safety of the boat some of the boats that have category certs do not Measure under the current rules for the boat but have all the safety gear so got a cert seems a bit wrong to me . Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 360 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 Rat if that's an axe your grinding then perhaps you should enlighten us ? Link to post Share on other sites
ScottiE 174 Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 . . . some of the boats that have category certs do not Measure under the current rules for the boat but have all the safety gear so got a cert . . . You're gonna need to explain this a little more clearly if you want to verbally abuse someone mate! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Saturday Night Special Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I approched Ynz with several boats 18 months ago that fail under these clauses The answer From Mr Churchouse was well you need to protest them My question was and still is how did they get category certs when they fail these and are brand new boats ? I told him having been a measurert in several classes that they should not have been given certs He rang A relative to explain it to me .I have explained this to both beforeIf they do not pass under the rules as they are written they do not pass .No cert but seems i do not understand or is he an emu burrying his head in the sand These are requirements of Cat 1,2,3 and are taken directly from YNZ safety rules 13.07 All deck openings must be able to be blocked off in an emergency. 16.05 (M) Permanently installed bunks shall be provided for a minimum of the nearest whole number greater than 2/3 of the crew. Each bunk shall be a minimum of 45cm (18in) x 1.8m (6ft) and shall have a resilient mattress that dries easily. In every case there shall be a minimum of two bunks 16.08 Cooking stove, securely installed against capsize with safe and accessible fuel shut off control, capable of being safely operated in a seaway. Any liquid or inflammable fuels must be carried in approved 5.07 Keel yachts shall be self righting, properly rigged, strongly built, water-tight particularly with regard to hulls, decks and cabin. Link to post Share on other sites
Clipper 343 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 16.08 Cooking stove, securely installed against capsize with safe and accessible fuel shut off control, capable of being safely operated in a seaway. Any liquid or inflammable fuels must be carried in approved Not required for cat 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 . . . some of the boats that have category certs do not Measure under the current rules for the boat but have all the safety gear so got a cert . . . You're gonna need to explain this a little more clearly if you want to verbally abuse someone mate! That's the pot calling the kettle black! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 speaking of black things, had a look at the elliot 35 at salthouses on saturday. it'll be a very interesting weapon Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Saturday Night Special Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 16.08 Cooking stove, securely installed against capsize with safe and accessible fuel shut off control, capable of being safely operated in a seaway. Any liquid or inflammable fuels must be carried in approved Not required for cat 3 Check on YNZ safety Regs is required for cat 16.08 rule number Link to post Share on other sites
Clipper 343 Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 16.08 Cooking stove, securely installed against capsize with safe and accessible fuel shut off control, capable of being safely operated in a seaway. Any liquid or inflammable fuels must be carried in approved Not required for cat 3 Check on YNZ safety Regs is required for cat 16.08 rule number It was amended a year or 2 ago. Along with bolt cutter requirement and something else I think. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Saturday Night Special Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Fair call just read the amendments Link to post Share on other sites
ScottiE 174 Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 For those of you who whose entry form was struggling with the crew and emergency contact lists - this has now been resolved and you should find that entry form is much clearer to view. If you still have any issues please drop us an email at ccinfo@coastalclassic.co.nz and we'll get it resolved as quickly as we can. Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 360 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Is anyone else confused by today's email ? "You'll notice a few changes to last year: one is that Category 3 Safety Certs are now self-declared. We've gone this way to be more efficient, to keep admin costs down, and to drive back towards personal responsibility. At the same time, race rules have been modified to provide for instant disqualification from the race in the event that a spot check finds a certificate invalid or not present. Certificates must be onboard for the duration of the race and viewable by an inspector at any time during the race event" Do you think this is cat 3 certs are self declared as in cat 4 & 5 ? Or that you still have to get one but only show it if asked ? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Airfares booked and paid for... Link to post Share on other sites
ScottiE 174 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Hi Danaide, You are required to have a Cat 3 certificate that is current for the race. On your entry form you have to a) declare that you have a current Cat 3 cert and that it is valid for the race, provide your certificate number, c) provide the certificate expiry date. You will not be a formal entrant until you complete this part of your entry form. As is always the case your certificate is required to be onboard during the race and this will be one of the random safety inspection cards that you may be presented with prior to the start or when you finish. In addition we will be doing a random audit of the Cat 3 certificates with YNZ on the morning of the race. Any yachts with discrepancies (expired cert, cert not lodged) will be asked to produce them to the race HQ in Russell. Failure to produce a valid certificate will have to result in DSQ. Hope that clears it up! Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 360 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 That's what I was thinking but the above statement could actually be read either way depending on your point of view. Nice to have it cleared up so fast. Link to post Share on other sites
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