RushMan 31 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 So does this rebuilt Oracle boat count as the 2nd of a 2 boat program or are the yanks stretching the rules to suit themselves again? Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 So does this rebuilt Oracle boat count as the 2nd of a 2 boat program or are the yanks stretching the rules to suit themselves again? they couldn't rebuild wing 1 within the allowed repair limits so that was a total loss of 1 of their 3 allowable wings they were able to rebuild boat 1 within the allowed repair limits so it has not limited their ability to build boat 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Premature ejaculation there EE! Big Russ, AKA winner of the AC three times for three nations, AKA a LEGEND, has not launched his second boat yet. Unlike ETNZ. So your saying they are behind schedule and cannot recover Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Big Russ, AKA winner of the AC three times for three nations Won 3.... only on paper. On the water it wasn't quite like in many ways. Yes OR should be the large favourite going in. The question is can make the most of the huge advantage they gave themselves? Be a tad embarrassing if they can't. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Personally I disregard gimmes as they are just that. I suppose if you're desperate enuff you'll call anything you can a win. I saw some major thrusting outside work today. Yes agree OR sure did drive themselves down into a hole but unlike the dudes by work today, your Russell blew his toy to bits Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Russ decides to pick a windy day to test it to destruction (and learn stuff), with a view to rebuilding it to a Mk2 spec to trial new options/variant. So boat 1 becomes two boats but is still one boat under the law. And risk injuring or killing some very high profile sailors in the name of sport under the Oracle brand that would be assured to reach global headlines in the name of sport ? Any suggestion otherwise is just ludicrous. I don't think so somehow SB - think about it, falling 60 feet onto carbon is not fun. It was a screw up that they may or may knot have turned to their advantage. Link to post Share on other sites
Kiteroa 8 Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 Personally I disregard gimmes as they are just that. I suppose if you're desperate enuff you'll call anything you can a win. I saw some major thrusting outside work today. Yes agree OR sure did drive themselves down into a hole but unlike the dudes by work today' date=' your Russell blew his toy to bits [/quote'] NZL32 a Gimme?... i don't think so! (even you were proud of that momet whenn we lifted the cup!) 3 wins is 3 wins. How many has Barker/Dalton had? Anyway Russ is very smart. Consider this scenario KM... Russ realised the first boat was not up to his high expectations and saw the ETNZ boat. Russ decides to pick a windy day to test it to destruction (and learn stuff), with a view to rebuilding it to a Mk2 spec to trial new options/variant. So boat 1 becomes two boats but is still one boat under the law. Russ sails the boat 1 AKA2 to test MK2 mods and still has time to introduce these mods to BOAT 2 (which is really Boat 3). So while ETNZ is shipping boat 2 Russ is tweaking boat 2 (nee 1) and modding boat 3 (nee 2) absofurkenlutly Brilliant! Yup, and destroying 1/3 of their wing allocation and 3/4 of their 2012 testing was all part of the plan also i'm sure. Sounds like a slick plan to me. All over it. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 7, 2013 Share Posted February 7, 2013 and heres boat 1.5 from yesterday Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Looks like they may have to bite the bullet and put some structure under that thing. That or go foil assist only. No way they can successfully foil this design Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 The wing is out...! Sailing today perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites
Grinna 2 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 So with regards to Oracle sailing in that video, they obviously have foil elements on their boards, but in none of those shots did it look like the leeward hull was being lifted out of the water onto the foils. In that case, if the foil elements aren't providing enough lift to get the hull out of the water and reduce hull drag, is it worth having there? Surely a foiling element produces its own drag and increases wetted surface area so if it's not lifting the hull out of the water to reduce hull drag (and therefore an overall drag reduction), is it actually of benefit? Link to post Share on other sites
RushMan 31 Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 I was watching a YouTube clip the other day of 17 foiling... Think it was their FB page There seems to be less twist in the structure too, along with red wheels. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 So with regards to Oracle sailing in that video, they obviously have foil elements on their boards, but in none of those shots did it look like the leeward hull was being lifted out of the water onto the foils. In that case, if the foil elements aren't providing enough lift to get the hull out of the water and reduce hull drag, is it worth having there? Surely a foiling element produces its own drag and increases wetted surface area so if it's not lifting the hull out of the water to reduce hull drag (and therefore an overall drag reduction), is it actually of benefit? Take a look at a speed photo taken since. http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attach ... -speed.jpg Oracle is in speed, and ETNZ is out and having problems. The s has been reduced on ETNZ Link to post Share on other sites
Marshy 30 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 It Floats.... Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Take a look at a speed photo taken since. http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attach ... -speed.jpg Oracle is in speed, and ETNZ is out and having problems. The s has been reduced on ETNZ Perhaps Phil point us to some video of sustained stable foiling rather than 1/1000 of a second when the shutter opened and it was in trim. Having seen video, sustained foiling isn't one of their fortes (strengths Phil). Also what 'problems' (plural meaning more than one) are you referring to Phil, since you point them out perhaps you could elaborate? Or perhaps you wont and claim its obvious and any idiot can see....which is obvious.... Glad our one floats tho, that's handy. It looks great on the water. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Oracle is in speed, and ETNZ is out and having problems. The s has been reduced on ETNZ Man you couldn't be more wrong. ETNZ was out today absolutely ripping on foils in less than 10 knots!!! OR cant foil for sh*t and they have openly admitted to " learning how to foil" ETNZ knew how to foil even before building the 72 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 First day sailing new boat... looks good in not that much breeze. Photo credit Chris Cameron/ETNZ Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 and here is the video of their 1st day sailing in boat 2. I was thinking that EMTNZ weakness would be sailing in the light stuff but this is great to see them foiling in less then 15 knots which might prove its a good allround boat Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 First day sailing new boat... looks good in not that much breeze. Photo credit Chris Cameron/ETNZ one noticeable change is the curve in the boards. They are less curved and more like Oracles than the last boat. Good spotting.The correct term is the S in the cured dagger boards I bought to your attention in my previous post. Link to post Share on other sites
Clipper 343 Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Just to clarify for future mocking and "I told you so"s. Summer Breeze and Phil believe that Oracle will defend successfully? If they raced ETNZ tomorrow, who do you think would win? A realise a lot can change in 6 months, but right NOW, ETNZ look to me to be ahead of the others. I am not picking a winner for the cup, but would be suprised if the match was NOT ETNZ vs Oracle. Link to post Share on other sites
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