Bad Kitty 252 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 How does adding weight make it faster anyway? That's what us multihull guys have been asking for the last 20 years Squid. Glad you leaners are finally starting to question the benefit of all that damn lead! But on a more serious note, it's ballast on a boat that likes weight forward in light air. And it's cheating, and this won't blow over lightly. Last time there was a case like this in one design 10 year bans got handed out, so it will be a big ask for a professional sailor to be the fall guy & take a hit like that for the team. And as others have said, 1 guy doesn't suddenly decide this is a good idea & modify all the teams boats! That's beyond anyone's fantasy surely? Also interesting that OTUSA originally claimed that they found it & threw themselves on the sword, but later it came out that the official measuring people actually discovered it & reported it to IM. Spin spin spin from our favourite "good sports" Oracle. Link to post Share on other sites
bushman 12 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Not much on TV honey ..... did I miss doing something yet again ? Keep to the subject man Link to post Share on other sites
bushman 12 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Its more than probable that more weight was added in other places, only to be removed, but this placement was completely forgotten about. well mate you have hit the nail right on the head with this one ..... lets hope that the committee come to this conclusion as well ... the answer ..... boot those lying pricks out of the cup and let those hard working lads from Artimis sail their boat .... at least they deserve to be there from all the hard work they did Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 323 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 How does adding weight make it faster anyway? That's what us multihull guys have been asking for the last 20 years Squid. Glad you leaners are finally starting to question the benefit of all that damn lead! But on a more serious note, it's ballast on a boat that likes weight forward in light air. And it's cheating, and this won't blow over lightly. Last time there was a case like this in one design 10 year bans got handed out, so it will be a big ask for a professional sailor to be the fall guy & take a hit like that for the team. And as others have said, 1 guy doesn't suddenly decide this is a good idea & modify all the teams boats! That's beyond anyone's fantasy surely? Also interesting that OTUSA originally claimed that they found it & threw themselves on the sword, but later it came out that the official measuring people actually discovered it & reported it to IM. Spin spin spin from our favourite "good sports" Oracle. I heard that the MC went to OR before the IM, some considerable time difference. Link to post Share on other sites
FRANS DE COURT 0 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Through the grapevine, but nevertheless from very reliable source; R.C. has been sacked! Made a scapegoat, big egos finally parting, whatever reason it may be. It seems there was certainly some history though with mention of 'tinkering' with a Soling and Etchell many years ago ... Key personnel from Oracle should definitely be banned from racing for ten years plus; consequences! Link to post Share on other sites
Dude 0 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Yip! Let's ban everybody who cheated in the AC... Winged keels Multible rating certs Twin keels Bowsprits Ballast moveing Hula,s Fibreglass 12 M's Yip... ban them all... By the way FDC. I think it was Peter Lester with the dodgy soling or maybe Tom Dodson. And the Etchell story was not true. but don,t let the facts get in front of a good rant And do not thank RC for winning us the AC in the first place! Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 wheres between the quantum sheets when you a good troll, mothership can you send him a message to come back for a couple of weeks Link to post Share on other sites
Mothership 6 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 wheres between the quantum sheets when you a good troll, mothership can you send him a message to come back for a couple of weeks You don't have to look far - he posted immediately before you. Link to post Share on other sites
bushman 12 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Yip! Let's ban everybody who cheated in the AC... Winged keels Multible rating certs Twin keels Bowsprits Ballast moveing Hula,s Fibreglass 12 M's Yip... ban them all... ... don't ban them all .. only the dum ones that forgot to remove all of their added ballast Link to post Share on other sites
Mothership 6 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 There is also a difference between running with something that isn't explicitly covered in the rules, and blatantly disregarding the rules and doing something that does contradict said rules. Link to post Share on other sites
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Dude 0 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 There is also a difference between running with something that isn't explicitly covered in the rules, and blatantly disregarding the rules and doing something that does contradict said rules. Correct. But there is the most important "coverall" rule that all competitors must observe.. The "spirit of intent" clause. Link to post Share on other sites
Mothership 6 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 There is also a difference between running with something that isn't explicitly covered in the rules, and blatantly disregarding the rules and doing something that does contradict said rules. Correct. But there is the most important "coverall" rule that all competitors must observe.. The "spirit of intent" clause. Should this forego innovation? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Yeeeh. Bushman will give him a good run Link to post Share on other sites
Dude 0 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 No and that's my point (excuse the sarcasm)... all the examples I gave are breaking the spirit of intent clause and thus no better than breaking any other rule. In other words the AC is full of cheats. Americans, Swiss, Aussie, Kiwi,s, and maybe British? ( but I cannot recall them cheating). Breaking a rule is breaking a rule. The "spirit of intent" rule has been broken (some say stretched) by many. Oracle are no worse than any other team. However the spirit of intent rule has broader definitions and interpretations... maybe? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 No and that's my point (excuse the sarcasm)... all the examples I gave are breaking the spirit of intent clause and thus no better than breaking any other rule.That is 100% utter bollocks only used by those who have something to hide or fecked up writing their rules correctly. The rules are what is written in black and white. If it's knot written in black and white then it is knot a rule, it's that simple. Saying 'but but but the intent is...' means nothing both on the water nor in a protest room. If this aledged lead exists then it's black and white, OR cheated. The only 2 questions are will they be penalised and who will management find to use as a scapegoat to cover their arse, the arses who will have known it happened. Link to post Share on other sites
Dude 0 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Incorrect there KM. There is no difference no matter what rule you break. OR are no different under the law to any other cheat. Read the rule book and look at the first couple of pages and you will see. I actually agree that they have cheated and broken the rules. But so have others. rules are rules. Link to post Share on other sites
BNG 44 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 Who gives a shite about the Spirit of Rule BS in this case anyway? its irrelevant. The weight was placed outside the designated areas prescribed in the rule so the 'spirit or intent' or whatever you want to call it is irrelevant as its a black and white case of they breached the rule. Once you go over the line and are proven to be so its fairly black and white. Thats the problem with cheating, if you stretch a rule you do it right up to the point that you think you can legitimately defend it if challenged and thats a very fine and expensive line to walk. Appreciating the innovation each team makes a balanced decision in its design to apply features they believe to be within the rule and could defend as such. This is just a plain old breach of the rules, its outside of and not even close to being a case of stretching the rules. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I can't understand what your last post was trying to say Dude. But it makes no difference anyway as it seems OR broke a written rule, that is cheating in anyone books, even one eyed OR apologists like yourself. Link to post Share on other sites
Mothership 6 Posted August 13, 2013 Share Posted August 13, 2013 I can't understand what your last post was trying to say Dude... I can't understand why you're all taking the troll bait Having said that; it does add a little entertainment to the show. Link to post Share on other sites
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