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Posted 04 March 2014 - 10:24 AM

What gets me is anybody can buy/build a boat and sail anywhere within our NZ waters when they like and do so in a boat of any condition. The only repercussion would be embarrassment on national TV.

The same people could organize a race under their own steam (even with a club not affiliated to YNZ -eg Mana CC) and race boats with no regs/inspections... and no worries.


Organize a race with a YNZ associated yacht club and BAM!... rules, regs, cost, finger pointing....

Some how the old days of commonsense and freedom has been overtaken by .......

I,all leave the rest to you guys


To leave the country you need cat 1.

And when we are talking racing, there is a driver to make your boat lighter than the next gys, hence weaker. Sure, it is stupid to go too far, but who knows where too far is?

Some form of regualtion is fine with me, as long as its sensble and not pricing people out of the game.

agree.

Some say there should be no rules.

Most "racing Yachties" are great When you consider the muppets that venture out in fizz boats, and some go way out wide in search of groper etc, every weekend and with bugger all safety certs/ inspections etc...

Most sailors in NZ, and more so the racing types, are very safety conscious and WOULD BE FINE WITH LITTLE REGULATION as they all want to return home.

The rules are made to allow for the 1% idiot factor... and in most cases they deserve exactly what they get.
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 11:32 AM

The rules are made to allow for the 1% idiot factor... and in most cases they deserve exactly what they get.


I am not saying this to disagree with what you have said, more to add to it.

Yes, there is "rules to cater for the 1% idiot factor", however there are ALSO rules to cater for the [insert some low number here]% of unexpected/unusual circumstances.

Many of the people you describe as "most 'Racing Yachties' " will have never experienced the freak conditions that often (but not always) are significant causal factors in tragedies. You can sail your boat for 30 years, and think you know how it responds and reacts in a variety of conditions... and then one day you can get caught in an unusual situation or unusual set of conditions and WHAM... bad stuff can happen.

An example... I know Montego Bay III, a VERY solid boat, got hit by a rogue wave on the second leg to Wellington in the RNI. The waves were 1.5 - 2 metres at the time and then suddenly, off Stephens Island, a wave close to the height of the mast reared up and tore the boarding platform off the stern and caused quite a few other issues.

A lot of the safety rules are not JUST for the 1% idiot factor, they are ALSO for the "doesn't happen often, but when it does happen you better be built to handle it" situations that you could go a whole lifetime and never experience and think "What a waste of time that rule/regulation is" OR you could get caught in that sort of situation on your first voyage... you never know.
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:08 PM

Isn't there a formula that goes (something) like 'the density of water squares as boat speed doubles'. I'd rely on the engineer and the marine architect rather than someone else's, or my, gut feel.
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 12:43 PM

Isn't there a formula that goes (something) like 'the density of water squares as boat speed doubles'. I'd rely on the engineer and the marine architect rather than someone else's, or my, gut feel.


That's what they said about a certain mr Alan Reay in ChCh and that rather flat building that killed many.

http://www.nbr.co.nz... ... -ch-133775

Engineers have designed many things that cannot be built easily or correctly.

Yet there are many fine yachts sailing the harbour with not a mm of Engineers input
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 01:32 PM

Quite likely although many will be over-built. I was reading about the loss of the keels off the J80s on SA and it seems that there is much going on within all flexible structures that we don't really understand.
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:12 PM

The rule is generally a 25% increase in force will double the loading. so if you only have a 2:1 safety built in, it only take a 25% increase over your designed maximums to put you into possible failure territory.
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Posted 04 March 2014 - 02:35 PM

That's not a lot really.
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