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    Dave reacted to Fish in NZ Navy gets its biggest ship ever - it's a Hyundai!   
    I agree with this on the capabilities.
    I doubt she needs defence systems, she's an oil tanker, not a warship... have any of our actual warships every fired a gun? 20 containers, water maker and helo pad, she is designed for disaster relief and logistics, not force projection. NZ creates influence with aid and peacekeepers, not gun boats, that is our style.
    I'm always mind-boggled by the cost of defence assets. But I've just read this article, and if ever there was a good time to spend on defence, it is probably now...
    It would appear the boffins at MFat are predicting the collapse of the current world order, and the possibility of a 3rd World war.
    Already 2 nuclear powers are massing troops at their borders, had a major brawl at the border last week with 20 dead on one side and 76 injured, No news of casualties on the other side. Its not really in our media, anyone know which 2 nuclear powers are squaring off? Its part of the new world order, not the old one...
    Tucked away among the hundreds of mostly boring Covid-19 documents released on Friday was the bleakest thing I've ever seen a Government official write.
    The paper, from the usually diplomatic and boring folks at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade (Mfat), sets out the problems facing the globe as Covid-19 continues its rampage, and how New Zealand can go back to being a part of that world.
    In stark language Mfat lays out the obvious. Before Covid-19 the liberal world order was not exactly doing well. Global institutions like the United Nations were failing, protectionism was rising, and the countries that usually "led" the world had abdicated that role.
    Then Covid-19 came along as an "epochal shock" on the scale of the Great Depression for New Zealand and World War II for some countries. The problems that grow from it would not be limited to the virus itself, the analysts write, but would also propel governments to collapse, people to be driven from their homes, and violent terrorism to increase.
    "Security risks will rise as a result of increased instability, greater state weakness and more failed states; greater international refugee flows; reduced capacity in partner countries to address violent extremism, people smuggling and transnational organised crime; and more space for malign actors to operate given distracted governments."
    As the Mfat boffins wrote, things are bad here but will be worse elsewhere. And sometimes what rises from the ashes is better than what came before. The scars of the Great Depression created the conditions for the modern welfare state and decades of prosperity. But it also led to World War II.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300043502/new-zealands-uncertain-future-in-a-world-coming-apart-at-the-seams
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    Dave got a reaction from rossd in NZ Navy gets its biggest ship ever - it's a Hyundai!   
    I'd imagine she'd be dotted with a few 50 cals around the place for 'nuisance' defense (small boats etc.)  I doubt she'd be fitted with a proper CIWS like Phalanx or Goalkeeper as they're pretty dear (but extremely effective.)  As a force multiplying platform if she was deployed to an area of conflict she'd have a picket of frigate sized or larger warships looking after her and providing layered defense; the first casualty of any conflict would be the ships like the Aotearoa as they enable the fleet to fight.  In addition, she'd carry at least one, if not two Seasprite helicopters, which have missiles capable of engaging threats outside of the ships safety envelope. 
    Personally I like the capability this ship brings to the NZDF; long legs and the ability to support our Pacific Island neighbours in times of hardship/disaster.  That she is ice strengthened is great as she can support deep south patrols of our other ships.  That part of the ocean has always been difficult to police and hopefully that will change.
      
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    Dave got a reaction from Dagwood in NZ Navy gets its biggest ship ever - it's a Hyundai!   
    I'd imagine she'd be dotted with a few 50 cals around the place for 'nuisance' defense (small boats etc.)  I doubt she'd be fitted with a proper CIWS like Phalanx or Goalkeeper as they're pretty dear (but extremely effective.)  As a force multiplying platform if she was deployed to an area of conflict she'd have a picket of frigate sized or larger warships looking after her and providing layered defense; the first casualty of any conflict would be the ships like the Aotearoa as they enable the fleet to fight.  In addition, she'd carry at least one, if not two Seasprite helicopters, which have missiles capable of engaging threats outside of the ships safety envelope. 
    Personally I like the capability this ship brings to the NZDF; long legs and the ability to support our Pacific Island neighbours in times of hardship/disaster.  That she is ice strengthened is great as she can support deep south patrols of our other ships.  That part of the ocean has always been difficult to police and hopefully that will change.
      
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