Guest Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Got a link for that?You xxxxxxx , I was trying to work that in somehow but twasn't fast enuff Were you shackled to your computers Knotme? Wal really shank'd you there I know its hard to fathom, but you Need to scope these thing out faster bro, or you may appear out of your depth No. I saw the thread but Wal posted while I was reading a warning I had just received CF for questioning a Mod. Then posted that above only to receive a warning here for using the xxxxxxxxxx word. I can't say what it is but if you watch the news, Shortland Street, my 80yo mother and shows like that it's commonly used. The real funny part was I also got a warning from the IRD this morning. Apparently if I don't stop harassing them they will take me to Court. My 'harassment' is me insisting to them that we need to go to Court. I suspect they finally realised I'm either 100% crazy or I have something they don't know about. It is the latter. Don't know if global warming is on the increase but it's sure been a day of global warnings Now lets go for a quadruple, complete with 2 turns and 3/4 Pretzel........ Hey Dear, should I grab a wide load sign to stick on your bum?? Link to post Share on other sites
rigger 47 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Is there a fluke missing off that anchor/ mooring, or is intended to be that way. that's why it dragged. Also know as a mooring anchor - sometimes a fluke was broken off a perfectly good anchor to make them but they were also made with one fluke. There was good reason to have only one fluke - with only one fluke there is less chance of damaging the vessel should she ground at low tide. BUT - the single fluke mooring anchor as part of a laid mooring would look something like in the image below. BTW the Navy mooring at Browns Island is a three leg system like in the picture. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 You can still buy brand new anchors just like that. Link to post Share on other sites
BNG 44 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 You can still buy brand new anchors just like that. Do you have any in stock? We should all get one. Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,579 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Wouldn't the one fluke be to lessen the probability of snagging yourself? Link to post Share on other sites
rigger 47 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Wouldn't the one fluke be to lessen the probability of snagging yourself? There was good reason to have only one fluke - with only one fluke there is less chance of damaging the vessel should she ground at low tide. Link to post Share on other sites
JK 28 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 BTW the Navy mooring at Browns Island is a three leg system like in the picture. Didn't that one drag in the previous storm? Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 That three legged system is called a Burmudian(sp?) mooring. Back in the days of the older anchor designs, a pull in opposite direction of set meant the Anchor physically lifted out and then dragged to reset again. This system was designed for Hurricane situations where the wind swings right around 180deg and you don't have the room, or just don't want the anchor to lift out and turn and then reset. In high winds, having the anchor lift out could result in the boat moving away so fast, the Anchor doesn't set again. With this kind of deployment, at all times the pull is exerted on, at the very least, one anchor in a straight line pull and when the pull comes off line towards a sideways pull, the load is shared between two anchors. So at no time does an anchor have to lift out and then reset again. The down side is that the system is not a simple quick deployment. It's for when you know a severe storm is coming and have plenty of time to set it up. You need the anchors a good distance apart and each anchor has to be set individually. The 3 times the depth rule is usually used for the bridle(if that's the right term) between the three anchors, so you can lift the center attachment point to couple the main anchor rode, unless you want to dive down to the center point of the bridle. It's noted as being a very good robust system, but few yachties sail with three big anchors these days, as well as copious lengths of rode and chain to deploy such a system. Another system that works well is tandem anchoring and it still works very well if you deploy a small secondary anchor, maybe even a Tenders Anchor followed by the Main anchor. The first anchor's rode lies on the bottom, so it can dig itself down really deeply and that in turn causes a pull on the main anchor that causes the Tip to pull down. The result is a system that can take a tremendous load well beyond the Sum of their normal individual loads. Plus it is much easier to deploy and pretty much every sailor has some kind of second anchor on board, a spare line and maybe a length of chain, especially if it's the Tenders Anchor/rode. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 The anchors we use and see on our boats aren't the same as used by specialists and most of commercial. The range we use are pretty much used only in recreational marine. About the only 2 that have a fair amount of cross over you'd see here, and we are talking pretty 'generally' here, is the super Sarca and Pool types, of which Manson makes a lot of in grey steel but also in BLING SS. You wanna see some, they are that nicely made it seems a shame to throw them in the water. A lot of those go into the superboat fleet but a lot also to commercial vessels. NO the Bruce anchor is not the same as the ones used on oil rigs. They share similar design theories but put the 2 side by side and most wouldn't know they come from the same factory.... or used to. The anchor under Classique is an old school design but still used for multi point mooring systems. Those systems tend to be laid as opposed to what we do which is just chuck them off the boat and hope. So as those are laid they can be positioned to work the best i.e. fluke down. As Rigger said they are designed for shallower waters. If anyone wants one I can have some here in about 6 weeks, a little longer if they are over 200kg odd. BTW the Navy mooring at Browns Island is a three leg system like in the picture. Didn't that one drag in the previous storm? Don't know about Browns but a couple of the primary Harbour marks have moved over the years. To move one of those takes some rugged stuff as the chain alone under them weighs 930kgs and that attaches to some weights which are 8,000kg each. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Anchors are so last week Knotty. The big rich duds in the Mega yacht never get their pick wet or scratched. Sacre Bleu! The thought of mud on the teak! When I cruised the fjords of Norway a few years back many vessels are not allowed to anchor at all due to damaging the sea bottom. The vessel we were on had a system of managing it anchoring using GPS and the motors thusters. We never used the anchor at all. Because we had 24/7 power/ systems running we just turned on the anchoring system and the vessel stayed withing 5 feet of target position, and out came the Gins. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Thats sounds civilised, and it would "sound" all night long! I dream of submersible drills when even one boat runs a genny! Don't know what boats you sail on MB, but the only place you could hear the gene was in the Generator room in the engine room..... at the crews end of the boat.... and even then it was quite. Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 ironic, don't have a mooring cause it will harm the environment, then run the genset 24/7 Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 ironic, don't have a mooring cause it will harm the environment, then run the genset 24/7 Even worse, we ran the generator 24/7 because we we're not allowed to damage the seabed (in Flam, olden Stavenger) then when we went to Bergen we could buy whale meat as easy as buying Salmon. Look after the rocks but you can kill the whales. Link to post Share on other sites
idlerboat 116 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Because we had 24/7 power/ systems running we just turned on the anchoring system and the vessel stayed withing 5 feet of target position, and out came the Gins. Yep the world is xxxxx. I can see it now.... In world super yacht monthly... "Most pristine places on the planet that you can take a ten million dollar motor yacht" Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 There are two reasons why you can not anchor there, just like Fiordland. It's too deep and the bottom has rare species of Marine life like Deepwater Coral etc that grow no where else in the world. Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Got any photos X? That sure is an amazing part of the world. Link to post Share on other sites
darkside 61 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 No anchoring in Bonaire either. The whole place is a marine reserve. You pick up a mooring or go into the marina. The upside is that is actually worth having a snorkel where the yachts are moored. Link to post Share on other sites
B00B00 310 Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Fijords are amazing places. I spent a season in the ice on this 90fter. We were often anchoring in up to 80m of water or just doing night watches all night keeping the boat on station and away from the big bergs when it was too deep to anchor. It was light all night so not a big problem. Either way you still had to keep a night watch. The big issue is the big bergy bits of ice, when you get a chunk of ice fall off a glacier there can be a big swell and the bergs tip over so you have to stay well clear. Amazing experience. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 19, 2014 Share Posted June 19, 2014 Got any photos X? That sure is an amazing part of the world. About 2 gig on a memory stick some where. Amazing! The little train from the Flam port ( hardly a port as much as a wharf) up into the hill was fantastic. 21 degrees on the boat and snow on the hill above us. Just magnificent. The Glacier in Olden was the bluest white I have ever seen. Link to post Share on other sites
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