Alcoyano 0 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Hi my name is Isidro and I am a Spaniard living in Nz for 3 years now. I have just registered on the forum,though I have been following some threads for some time now. I am considering seriously to change my 6 m. Aluminium boat for a yacht and I would like some advise from the knowledgeable members of this forum about NZ Made cruisers My plans are 28 to 31 ft. GRP preferable though I have read good things on DD Kaury Keelers Budget 50 to 60k or so Plans purely cruising So not interesting in racing though a it would be nice a not so slow boat without compromising stability or safety. Area Mostly Hauraki Gulf with incursion into the Ocean like Mercury,Bay of Islands,Mokinahu,etc. Crew Solo handed most of the time with frequents accompanying of wife and teen daughter with no sailing experience. Also plans to use as a fishing platform frequently. Interior and commodities are important for us . I have seen a couple of Raven 31 causing me good impression. Also a lotus 9.2 in good condition and all on my budget or less. Any ideas or opinions? I have read that the raven 31 has a displacement of 2 tons with one tone of ballast which seems to me too light for the size. Would stability would be compromise? The lotus I think is about 3.6 tons which for same size is nearly twice as much. Also I have read that the Ravens are built on solid GRP vs the other on a core . Which ones would be more resistant to impact and solid? Any thoughts,advise or a news to my questions by the knowledgeable members of this forum would be greatly appreciated. I know it would be better to spend my money on other more common sense enterprises but the calls of salt on the blood craving to go sailing are driving me mad. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites
grant 40 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Welcome Davidson 31 could be another option to look at as well Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,228 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Hi Isidro, Welcome aboard! Any of those three are good, capable boats. The displacement to ballast ratio is what your are talking about - it is an indicator of stiffness (how well it will hold sail in a breeze without heeling - much) . However, don't read too much into that, as hull shape, draft, ballast location etc all make a large difference as well. As a general rule, cored boats are lighter. Solid GRP is heavy. The Raven 26's were solid GRP, but looking at the specs of the Raven 31, I would suspect not - too light. Displacement - lighter, with more sail area, normally means faster. Lighter boats move around more, and can be less comfortable at sea. Everything is a compromise. Both these boats and several others would be fine, just shop around until you get a nice example. Specs are; Raven 31 Hull Type: Fin w/spade rudder Rig Type: Fractional Sloop LOA: 28.87' / 8.80m LWL: 25.59' / 7.80m Beam: 9.58' / 2.92m Listed SA: 363 ft2 / 33.72 m2 Draft (max.) 5.48' / 1.67m Draft (min.) Disp. 4409 lbs./ 2000 kgs. Ballast: 2205 lbs. / 1000 kgs. SA/Disp.: 21.66 Bal./Disp.: 50.00% Disp./Len.: 117.46 Designer: Owen Woolley Builder: Lotus Yachts/NZ Yachts (NZ) Construct.: FG Bal. type: First Built: 1983 Last Built: # Built: 60 URL: www.ravenyachts.com Lotus 9.2 Hull Type: Fin w/transom hung rudder Rig Type: Masthead Sloop LOA: 30.18' / 9.20m LWL: 26.25' / 8.00m Beam: 10.99' / 3.35m Listed SA: 443 ft2 / 41.15 m2 Draft (max.) 5.48' / 1.67m Draft (min.) Disp. 7937 lbs./ 3600 kgs. Ballast: 3199 lbs. / 1451 kgs. SA/Disp.: 17.87 Bal./Disp.: 40.31% Disp./Len.: 195.89 Designer: Alan Wright Builder: Lotus Yachts (NZ) Construct.: FG Bal. type: First Built: 1975 Last Built: # Built: 160 DESIGNER More about & boats designed by: Alan Wright The Davidsons are good as well, but I could not find the specs on a 31 in my quick search. Whatever you do, get the boat surveyed!! These are not new boats, and although a good one is a gem, there are some poorly maintained ones out there! New sails and a new engine could be almost as much as you pay for the boat!! Please feel free to post any questions you may have Link to post Share on other sites
markm 30 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 I'm pretty doubtful about that displacement for the Raven. My info has it at 3318kg which seems more likely. Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,228 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Yep, I'd have to agree! Seems really light - and a 50% balast ratio seems unlikely Link to post Share on other sites
ScarecrowR31 8 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Hi guys Raven 31 data given is wrong, 9.45m LOD, 3.2 beam and with a real displacement of about 4000kg loaded and about 1450kg ballast. Draught about 5 ft (sorry to mix metric with imperial) Open transom the biggest advantage over the lotus and slightly more roomy. Hard on wind Lotus better. Reaching probably the Raven and dead down wind, pretty even except when the Lotus uses masthead spinnaker and its light. The heavier it gets the better Ravens seem to go. Biggest advantage is I can carry a 2.5m inflatable across the scoop when sailing and it is real easy to pull up and let down. Great cruising boat but not so good racing. PM me if you have any questions Link to post Share on other sites
Alcoyano 0 Posted September 5, 2014 Author Share Posted September 5, 2014 Thank you guys I am amazed at the speed of the answer and the amount of knowledge. I will need a lot of time to digest all the information given. That will be this evening and I will come back with more questions Link to post Share on other sites
tuffyluffy 76 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Young 88? Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,228 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 OK, the Raven website does not even know the displacement of the R31! Raven 31 Designer: Owen Woolley Construction: GRP LOA: 31ft '/ 9.45m LWL: 28ft 9in/ 8.94m Beam: 10.6' / 3.2m Draft: 5ft 5 in / 1.67m Displacement: TBC Price: $70,000 - $90,000 Link to post Share on other sites
Terry B 71 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 There are a heap of second hand yachts that are great for cruising in that length range and well within that price range - e.g. (apart from the ones already mentioned) Whiting 29 Townson (take your pick on the design) Young 88 Spencer 28/30/32 Nova 28 Cavalier 32 Challenge 29 Carpenter 29 Chico 30 Easterly 30 Lidgard (various and sundry versions) Lotus 9.2 Marauder Farr 9.2 All good ships in their day. Of course, there'll be as many opinions on each of these as there are sailors!! And in the price range you're looking at you'll get a REALLY good one!!! As always, survey, survey, survey!!!!!!! My advice is to make a list of everything you want in a yacht. Then prioritize it. Then eliminate the yachts that don't fit. Narrow it down to a few classes - and look at heaps of boats within those selected classes. Then, after all that exhaustive work, you'll fall in love with something that doesn't meet any of the criteria apart from that it floats, and buy it. And you'll be happy. Link to post Share on other sites
ballystick 72 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 There is also Noelex 30's such as mine - flexible on pricing heaps of good gear on it, set up for cruising and newer than most of those on the list. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-765626647.htm Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,228 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 That looks like a good buy from the advert. I did not mention Noelex 30's as I thought they would be too expensive! Another quality Farr boat!! Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 360 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Make sure you have a look at this one, it's great value. http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-m ... 740476.htm If your going to fish then try and get an open transom Link to post Share on other sites
Battgirl 23 Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 out of curiosity which of the boats mentioned in this thread would you sail on the RNI or across the Tasman? Link to post Share on other sites
sow1ld 2 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Across the Tasman! None unless you really like getting wet. Some would be more capable than others but me personally every crossing of the Tasman I have done we've had a hiding on boats twice as big. Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,581 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Whiting 29 Pretty sure it has been done Townson (take your pick on the design) as above Young 88 Nah Spencer 28/30/32 Maybe the 32 Nova 28 Been done and lots more besides Cavalier 32 I've done the Tasman 2-3 times in one plus a lot more Challenge 29 Pretty sure it has done RNI Carpenter 29 Or am I thinking of this? Chico 30 Great trip across the Tasman on one back in '78 after the boat had won Solo TT Easterly 30 One of these was in the same race Lidgard (various and sundry versions) Yes Lotus 9.2 probably Marauder Probably but I wouldn't be excited about it Farr 9.2 Nah The ability to make challenging passages is more about the crew than the boat. If you don't think you can you probably shouldn't. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 The ability to make challenging passages is more about the crew than the boat. If you don't think you can you probably shouldn't. Mmmmmmmmmmm, reason why the sister ship of my current 32" ferro hartley held the record for so long as the fastest unassisted single handed sail around the world in the eighties. Anyhow I would happily do the same thing with mine but I have thousands of offshore miles under my belt, frankly if you threw a light bulb of the east coast in NZ it would wash up ashore in South America unbroken. In this range of boats just go to yacht clubs and talk to people and look at boats and ask to go sailing on them. The one you find will do the job and you will find it in your good time Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 If Shanson's is still for sale, it has to be one of those " Deals of the century". It is a 36fter though. A Cascade 36 out of the US. Currently getting a Birthday treat on the Hard at Westpark. Very Solid, probably one of the most Solid Fibreglass Hulls to be built in the US and a very capable Blue Water Boat. She was sailed down here form the US. PM Shanson (he had a recent post in Classifieds) and at the least, arrange a quick look before she goes back in the water. If that is too late, he at least has some good Pics of her out. Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,581 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 Agree, the Cascade is an excellent boat, but just about unheard of in NZ so he's having trouble shifting it. Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 I think most are having trouble shifting anything. And Shanson is not exactly pushing for a sale. He's in one of those catch 22's of, need to sell but love to sale. Link to post Share on other sites
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