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Better "pants" than just Y fronts! :-)

Wasn't going to wade through the manual but the separate drive I think is only "seatalk". You need the AP controller to operate it and that uses N2K. Typical "gaymarine". The trouble we had with Lusty Blunder over our ST1000 which incidentally I solved the problem, their tech in Akl couldn't. They wanted about $300 for a new board as the nmea0183 didn't work. I looked at the circuit diagram and saw there was a mosfet optocoupler. I said rip one off a old board and solder that on, now works. When I looked inside the ST1000, was surprised how shoddy the thing was. The case lugs fracture too, a problem they have since fixed. A shame pelagic have no agent here and don't do N2K.

Yep it was the rubbish cheap plastic drive cogs shearing under load causing raymarine failures as I remember....but I could be wrong. I've heard that vintage raymarine tiller drives were built more hardily.

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Yep it was the rubbish cheap plastic drive cogs shearing under load causing raymarine failures as I remember....but I could be wrong. I've heard that vintage raymarine tiller drives were built more hardily.

Same with the old Navico. Had a TP10 that went through hell several times (bloody Cape Turnagain!), buckets of water and rain and survived. Came with the ship 2002 and was still going strong when I sold it last year but it started taking an "interest" in rocks and other boats. Go below to make coffee and pop your head up to see its charging off towards the nearest hard stuff. The cast alloy gears and worm drive seemed a lot gruntier even though it's only supposed to be used on a small keeler. It's all plastic now.

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With the information presented I don't see a product problem I see the problem as being the person who brought the wrong item for the job and/or used it wrongly.

 

I see that sort of thing almost daily. It's so much easier to blame the product than admit you made a mistake or are simply a ruff bastard.

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With the information presented I don't see a product problem I see the problem as being the person who brought the wrong item for the job and/or used it wrongly.

 

I see that sort of thing almost daily. It's so much easier to blame the product than admit you made a mistake or are simply a ruff bastard.

Where did that come from!? Reading between the lines? How being "a ruff bastard" makes a tiller pilot pop its mosfet optocoupler!? Or for that matter, have a 6 month old TP32 suddenly lose its ability to hold a course? So please do enlighten me as to what mistake I made?

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Where did that come from!? Reading between the lines? How being "a ruff bastard" makes a tiller pilot pop its mosfet optocoupler!? Or for that matter, have a 6 month old TP32 suddenly lose its ability to hold a course? So please do enlighten me as to what mistake I made?

For all I know a optocoupler is the the equivalent of Tinder but for eight-limbed molluscs.... or maybe a variety of Avocado ;)

 

The comment was general but based on what Yourmomm was saying.  The ST series he mentions are light weight for light weight boats and I know no lightweight boats that are described as 'built like and heavier than a tank...with full keel'. So I'm not seeing a product issue more than I am seeing someone who brought the wrong product for the application and fails to see where the real problem lies. It maybe all 3 units were duds but with the information provided I'm thinking it looks more like a simple case of someone picking the wrong product for the job.

 

We do see that sort of thing a LOT.

 

I know of a TP32 AP that has taken a heavy arsed 40fter full of drunks to the Pac Islands and back, twice. In theory it should have popped it's clogs not that far past Rangi Light. They are only rated for up to 37fters and as the manufacturer says they you can also take that as 'light 37fters'.

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If you check out Webb Chiles latest circumnavigation chronicles, he has had to send all (3 + - ? ) his tiller pilots in for repair at just about every stop, given that the yacht is basically a day sailer.  I would doubt whether they are ever overloaded.

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Yeah needless to say I dont much like your input either, knot me. The original question pertained to which is better: raymarine or pelagic? I gave a simple answer, based on my experience: in my view, there's no competition. Pelagic survived the 'ruff bastard' treatment I gave it, with no issues at all, whilst numerous raymarines, on the same boat, (and with the same skipper), did NOT. And pelagic is a damned sight cheaper, to boot, so I'm not really sure what point you're trying to make in your contribution?

 

If you dont believe me, rather than attack me, for "using the wrong tool for the wrong job", how about you try opening each of them up, and comparing them, as I have actually done? You'll see build quality on different ends of the scale: raymarine uses plastic gearing, which WILL inevitably eventually shear under load, (and frankly, looks like a child constructed it, out of stuff they got free in a box of cereal), whilst pelagic does not (or did not, back then, I'm not sure about now, I havent checked).

 

FWIW, I have a raymarine again, now, (st 4000, on a 25footer, that came with the boat, and is ALREADY playing up, being overloaded in gusts, even when under full reefing). Guess what I'm NOT going to replace it with? But feel free, to buy raymarine, if you like, as your experience may vary. Just dont suggest that the reason I think they're crap is because theres something wrong with me, rather than because of the cost-cutting efforts of the company, to pass off increasingly worse-built products as "technological advancement" of previous iterations, (with increasingly weight restricted limitations), whilst other companies dont put similar weight restrictions on their products, and charge a LOT less to boot...

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Don't get all delicate, no one is attacking anyone. The comment was made and did note 'on the information supplied'.

 

I did ask prior to that post 'What was the displacement of the boat you had that busted the 3 ST series AP's?' and when that was ignored it fitted exactly with what I see most days and I made the comment.

 

For your comments to be valid and of worth we do need to know what was the displacement of this heavy tank grade boat. What was it's displacement?

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Boat displacement is irrelevant, its helm load that matters.

IMO the raymarine tiller pilots, and the navico tiller pilots are designed for occasional weekend use, and are not sufficiently reliable for serious offshore sailing. Sure,some of both brands have done it, but the failure rate is pretty high in this type of use.

Far better to use a hydraulic ram, or similar for tiller vessels. Imo.

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