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YNZ Race Regulations Cat1-Cat5; Anomalies and concerns

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Not in my view, that is the obvious thing to do

I sat on the KORC committee for a few years. The drafting of the safety regulations was pretty closed shop of the safety subcommittee. I do remember though knocking back a proposal from them that Cat3 didn't require an engine.

 

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2 hours ago, Deep Purple said:

Hopefully Ken but if there is a loss (life or property) because of the failure of a 3 1/2 year old flare then the liability will be on.......

The YNZ inspector for Categories 1,2 and 3 for issuing a certificate when the flares didn't comply with the rule

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The skipper for Categories 4 and 5 for declaring the boat complied with the rules when it didn't

Bit like the WOF on your car,only valid on day of issue,up to you to keep things in order. Inspector inspects today and all good,inspector walks away and you return borrowed gear.Cat 4/5 not much chance of a snap inspection.

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Which is why to their credit SSANZ do their inspections on the water and they are visible and extensive. I'd go as far as saying the boats in a SSANZ race comply with the appropriate rules better than the ones in some high profile Cat3 races, although perhaps not as bad as when certificates lasted 3 years.

 

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Is there a minimum engine size requirement for keelers ?  I can’t be bothered reading the cat list right now it makes me cross eyed .

just asking because there may be a loophole for keelers under Cat3 that have outboards .

two keelers lost rudders in a Cat3 race recently and required tows from the coastguard . Outboards qualify as emergency rudders as far as I know . both boats had 5hp transom hung outboards . The breeze was in the mid 30s from the W/SW  with a bloody steep chop up to 1.5m at times . If the breeze had been from the southeast the outcome could have been very different and I know both boats would’ve been out there pushing very hard .

At a guess if both boats were trailer yachts under the NZTYA regs one would’ve had to have had an 8hp and the other 10hp . Im not having a go at the skippers , they were within the rules and there were other boats out there with small outboards that day . There’s a gap there in the regs I think if a boat can’t motor to windward but is required to be full of expensive safety gear 

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6 minutes ago, 44forty said:

Is there a minimum engine size requirement for keelers ?  

The rules for Keelboats 20.05 - Engine only required at Cat3 and above and then only enough to drive the boat in flat water (no wind presumably) at a calculated level. HP for your boat would be fark all

Trailer yachts 13.0  - 0.25hp per foot regardless of displacement. Note although it says sports boats exempt , it actually refers to Sport Trailer Yachts. Sportboats are under Section VI.

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Sorry, got the numbers the wrong way round 20.05 is keelboats and multihulls, 13.0 is trailer yachts

 

So for Keelboats cat 4 and 5 and Trailer Yachts Cat A B and C - Keelboats don't require a motor, trailer yachts do and sport trailer yachts have to carry a motor but size is unrestricted

For Cat 3 all boats have to carry a motor but only to the formula. Note trailer yachts sailing in  cat3 races have to be equipped to Cat3 rules, not trailer yacht rules

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36 minutes ago, 44forty said:

Outboards qualify as emergency rudders as far as I know . 

Yes they do, there is no requirement that the emergency steering be a rudder. But you have to be able to show it works. ANY sea conditions is a high hurdle

 

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55 minutes ago, 44forty said:

At a guess if both boats were trailer yachts under the NZTYA regs 

Thats questionable. Is Cat3 different to Trailer Yacht Cat A

In any case, turn to the NOR, Sailing Instructions, for Coastal Classic it is Cat3, Trailer yacht rules don't apply

 

I'm not aware of any Cat3 race that also allows Trailer Yacht Cat A but I'd have to check

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