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This was a response to James Cameron from ASB rural economist Nathan Penny (shortened). I didn't catch the original story but found this quite interesting on its own, certainly not the usual perspective.


Pasture-based New Zealand dairy production is the most carbon efficient dairy farming system in the world. In fact, you can ship a glass of New Zealand milk to the next most efficient country (Ireland) and drink it there and it still has a lower carbon footprint than an equivalent Irish glass of milk.

In addition, pasture-based New Zealand beef production is top dog in the global carbon efficiency stakes.

You might have already heard that our agriculture produces around half of the country's carbon emissions, and while that sounds like a lot, the New Zealand agriculture sector produces enough food for around 50 million people or 10 times our population. The question then becomes how carbon efficient New Zealand agriculture is – and that takes us back to points 1 and 2.

We also know to take the sustainability claims of alternative food manufacturers such as Impossible Foods (meat) and Perfect Day (dairy) with a large grain of salt. For example, New Zealand dairy has a much lower carbon footprint than Perfect Day milk on a like for like nutrition basis.

As you rightly pointed out on Sunday, farming is in our DNA and you also noted that New Zealand farmers have that good old number 8 wire mentality. But there's another secret that you may not know about Kiwi farmers. That is, they've had to farm effectively subsidy-free since the 1980s. In this context, our farmers have had to get smart and quickly, finding efficiencies that other (subsidised) farmers globally don't even know exist.

For these reasons, local Kiwi farmers think there is a place in the future for pasture-based New Zealand meat and dairy. And with global food demand set to surge around 70 per cent by 2050, we think the world needs all the food it can get!

 

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I saw the data behind the dairy comment and it goes a little like this. From memory so the numbers maybe a little 'close as' more than spot on.

 

The world average to make a litre of milk uses 9 sq mts of land and 8lts of water. But as NZ is so efficient here to make that litre only takes 1sq/mt of land and 3lts of water. Basically NZ farmers are that efficient we are nautical miles ahead of the entire world, so much so we can ship that Litre of cow juice to the second most efficient dairy producer, Ireland, yet the NZ litre will STILL  have a hugly lower carbon footprint that the Irish litre.

 

In it all was also a comparison to Soy and Almond milk. The world averages makes dairy look crap compared to those to alternatives but when you drill down to the NZ numbers the game changes, they lose to the NZ dairy fleet.

 

There was a big bit on the telly with all the numbers it was most interesting but I suspect it would have caused a few issues inside the green party, greenpeace, Forest and Bird and the PM's office, all of whom are constantly telling us NZ cows are causing the planet to meld down but if we all pay china a billion dollars it will stop. Yeah...Na.

 

It's like the oil and gas call. Ban a very efficient very regulated very well watched few producers so the product can be replaced by far dirtier producers instead. Then add in all the new shipping costs and hello, the end result is some idiots think NZ is doing good things for the planet when infact it;s doing the complete oppersite.

 

Banning NZ dairy and carbon emission WILL rise, it is that clear cut. If the PM's moment is that important to her then she needs to stop playing the bullshit politics she is marketing to the stupid and start changing the worlds dairy to follow the same practices NZ dairy is, that WILL make a genuine good difference.

 

Sure it'll f*ck NZ producers over big time but the Government is in the process of f**king them over now in many ways with more to come. At least if NZ dairy technologies do change the world at least all those farmers now forced to live under bridges and behind bus shelters by their own government can say they good work did make a difference.

 

I'm sure the telly piece will be out there 'On demand' somewhere. It was a very interesting watch.

 

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I saw the data behind the dairy comment and it goes a little like this. From memory so the numbers maybe a little 'close as' more than spot on.

 

The world average to make a litre of milk uses 9 sq mts of land and 8lts of water. But as NZ is so efficient here to make that litre only takes 1sq/mt of land and 3lts of water. Basically NZ farmers are that efficient we are nautical miles ahead of the entire world, so much so we can ship that Litre of cow juice to the second most efficient dairy producer, Ireland, yet the NZ litre will STILL  have a hugly lower carbon footprint that the Irish litre.

 

In it all was also a comparison to Soy and Almond milk. The world averages makes dairy look crap compared to those to alternatives but when you drill down to the NZ numbers the game changes, they lose to the NZ dairy fleet.

 

 

Saw that article too.

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I'm all for efficiency, reducing environmental contamination and destruction however..

Its increasingly frustrating to see "Green" ideology and politics being presented and mistaken for "scientific" truths without balanced analysis. Supporters are very quick to attack the character of any dissenter rather than listen and respond to their data or argument.

The NZ pastoral farming methods may be excellent relative to anyone else, the world in general doesn't seem to want to learn the lessons, however its also not hard to look at our industry and see that they still could actually do much better.

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The shout down is a powerful weapon and far easier than having a sound reasonable counter argument, which is lucky as most shouters seem incapable of doing much else.

 

Hardly a surprise to see it used so often when the PM and deputy, to name only 2 of too many, commonly use the technique. As you mention the Greens are masters of it.

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