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Something sensible, Hauraki Gulf, east North NZ, while we save for Cat?

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We are saving to buy a performance cat, a Seawind 1160 lite to be exact, but cats arent cheap in newish state.

So in the mean time we just want something sensible for the gulf and up and down the top East of north Island between White Island and possibly Three Kings etc, but mostly the gulf, to Coromandel up to GBI.

 

Now Ive sailed on everything from 100ft to trailer sailers.

 

But I want something for $50k that wont be a pile of crap I need to spend another $25k on. I also want something not motor sailer but with all the comforts of a motor sailer. 

Im wondering how small I should consider not how big I can afford as the bigger I go the more likely Im buying something well used for the money. 

Im thinking something close as I can to 40ft, non tiller steer, easy access to engine, something with a solid keel so we dont list too much when under way, but something not so heavy like a lot of Bavarias that seem to need to motor a lot on lighter winds. I know, big asks.

Any advice on that price range for some bluewater coastal sailing monohull?

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Take your pick on any mid to late 80’s kiwi cruiser in the 35-40ft range for that price...

 

Not sure why you wouldn’t go for a tiller on a 40ft boat but that’s a personal thing.

 

All keels are solid, all boats heel. Some more than others granted but you get used to heel quickly.

 

Plenty of Cavs, Raven 31’s etc on TM. Choose one you like, get a survey and buy it.

 

It’s all a compromise with boats. Light,fast,roomy, comfortable you won’t get it all. Pick what matters most.

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Wheel steering cuts your options down for that price range. How many crew or kids are going to be on board or is it just you and the wife. If you push the price up a bit, a Davidson 35 or Lotus 10.6 would be worth looking at but not many with wheel steering.

Plenty of 30fters in that price range but not many with a wheel

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Isn't there a law of physics that states that these two events are mutually exclusive?:

1) I want to save money,

2) I want to buy a boat.

 

To answer the question, how small can you go, you need to say what you want to use the boat for, and how many people will use it?

Just a couple, solo, a family with kids, retired couple taking friends out, etc, and

Day trips, weekending, 3 week summer cruise, or extended live aboard cruising?

Size also impacts on passage times and acceptable weather, etc, which is based on how you want to use it.

 

I would think that if you want a small boat that is cheap to buy, doesn't need any work on it, is stiff, and also has a wheel will really limit your options. There are many more boats around that are small, cheap, may not need too much maintenance, but requiring a wheel also would exclude maybe 80% of options that meet the other requirements.

 

Personally, I'd probably look at a Townson 32 or similar, which is ideal for a couple coastal cruising (and stiff, perfectly suitable for offshore, etc).

 

There are several Pacific 38's around for just over the $50k mark, they have a wheel, are stiff, but they are all old (all circa 1975). One or two have been substantially done up. Weather or not they meet your definition of 'not needing any work' may come down to how fussy you are. Otherwise they sound like they fit your requirements. No idea about resale on a boat that old though...

 

Edit, Sorry, my mistake - Pacific 38's have a tiller - which kind of proves my first point...

There are several asking between $50k and $60k, some are substantially better than others, so with the usual pre- purchase negotiation you could meet your $50k budget for a good stiff cruising boat.

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Personally, I'd probably look at a Townson 32 ...perfectly suitable for offshore, etc).

 

Great coastal boats from all accounts, but there has been some debate on the last point... http://crew.org.nz/forum/index.php/topic/15043-sailor-in-liferaft-off-norfolk/

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Thanks all.

Tiller steer is just personal preference of the Mrs, the friggin thing is on auto pilot a lot of the time anyway. Although some yachts will get you a lot more wet in a tiller steer than a Wheel further aft.

So something mid 80s, get it surveyed, purchase?

I miss my uncle being here, diesel/marine mechanic. Old engines need the eye of the tiger to get them reliable imo.

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Think you may find a lot of the older boats have been repowered. I think the Cav 39 is wheel steered, but finding a good one may now be difficult. 

I repowered 3 years ago and 3 other Lotus 9.2s also repowered around the same time, and that was just at Pine Harbour.

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Thanks all.

 

Tiller steer is just personal preference of the Mrs, the friggin thing is on auto pilot a lot of the time anyway. Although some yachts will get you a lot more wet in a tiller steer than a Wheel further aft.

 

So something mid 80s, get it surveyed, purchase?

 

I miss my uncle being here, diesel/marine mechanic. Old engines need the eye of the tiger to get them reliable imo.

Best two ways of checking and engine is ask the owner if he can run it up to full throttle for 10 mins

If it doesn’t sound like an outhouse door it a cyclone and there’s not soot all over the stern then it’s worth spending money on a mechanical assessment, get the agent for the brand not the owners guy that’s a mate of a mate.

The owner will know if it’s on the way out and won’t run it up to full noise, however Diesel engines are designed to do this if they are healthy

 

As for designs your going to really struggle to get something under 40’ that’s wheel steer and 50k

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Thanks Jon and Chariot.

I will try to find a Cavalier. 

I really like retractable Marlin boards, like on the Bavaria 46.

Jon re the engine, I totally agree. A lot of noobs to power boat inboards try to run them too light to save fuel but dont realise how much build up that it is creating. Im pretty good at servicing my own outboards and use to service my merc cruiser, so I should be able to tell if its buggered. The issue is sometimes people skimp on replacing parts that last a long time, but are critical. This is my biggest fear. Obviously service paper work will help.

If we have to go up a bit in cost I dont mind as long as we are getting a bargain to negate risk of major resale loss as its money that goes towards the Cat which we are considering sailing through the Panama to sale the Bahamas etc. But this given the cost of newish Cat and the need to have solid investments to live off while away, means we are likely looking at 10-15 years before we can take this major break and semi retire. By then I will be mid to late 50s which worries me as I have back issues. So I need a certain quality of bunk for my back, as long as I keep my spine straight doing work I am usually fine. The Mrs is one strong little thing though, she is solid muscle in the right places. Makes an excellent deck hand lol.

 

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The Cavalier does indeed look like a beauty from the past. One I cant afford but love the internal layout of is the spencer 43.

I like to game fish and want to do so while sailing as 6-10knots is a perfect speed for most game species. I also want to jig for kingies etc out at places like Mayor Island, along with freediving/spearfishing.

 

So the only thing I see missing is a swim platform/marlin board. Would it be hard to fit on purpose built for landing game fishing and poissbly jigging from, the only issue there is not getting sucked over board. So would like to fight the fish from inside to give my body something to press against (knees) while I have the rod in a gimbal, but some how have a swim platform I can drop once I have the fish to the surface?

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