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Stranded boaties in 'dire' situation appeal for New Zealand's help

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15 hours ago, Dtwo said:

Agree. Local small businesses rely on some cruising income.  If they can let in superyachts, what is the difference.

Good point . If the rich and famous are allowed to get their boats serviced and make their movies here ,  why not cruisers not cruisers arriving from Covid free islands ? .

I think the spending is spread far wider with cruisers than with superyachts . The big boat refit industry is restricted to a few major players who outsource to a select few specialists . It will be interesting to see where the new refit hub/hubs evolve with the squeeze going on at orams to move the refit work out of there .

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I agree they should be allowed to come. I just get annoyed by inflated risk and hardship arguments used to push the agenda.

Much like the US team shipping their AC boat here, away from the northern hemisphere summer, and then squealing "you have to let us in". It will take them a while to get some respect back after that outburst.

But really if Fiji can manage it surely we can. Perhaps a quarantine anchorage in Whangaroa while they wait for their first test results just to be sure?

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No doubt this should allowed. In a global economy where scraps are increasingly becoming the main course,  we ought to be in like a hungry dog, but the question would be who to lobby to encourage fast tracking legislature change?- or is that too politicised to be allowed in this forum?

Imagine if the west island beat us to the draw - that would piss me off. why do FP local authorities insist on departure BP? 

 

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So, if you are in governance, what do you do?

If you let people in from half a world away (Tahiti), who else do you have to let in? Half of India is clamouring to come back here. They already have established lives / family / jobs here apparently. Do those people have a greater claim to entry than cruising sailors in the Eastern Pacific?

Every foreign sailor already in NZ doesn't want to leave. All the back-packers etc don't want to leave. If you let these guys in for this summer, will they leave again next winter?

It is far easier to say no to everyone, than to say yes to some and no to others. Its the 'where do you draw the line' arguement, otherwise known as the thin end of the wedge. Much like our lockdown was a blanket everything lockdown, Victoria have had some random 'lockdown' with so many loopholes, it wasn't really a lockdown. It didn't work for them.

While a logical arguement (from our point of view) can be put to let these cruisers in, I suspect the governments answer will be no to everyone. If C 19 keeps on going how it looks, over half the world's population will be claiming a good reason to be let into NZ. So, no to everyone...

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24 minutes ago, Fish said:

So, if you are in governance, what do you do?

If you let people in from half a world away (Tahiti), who else do you have to let in? Half of India is clamouring to come back here. They already have established lives / family / jobs here apparently. Do those people have a greater claim to entry than cruising sailors in the Eastern Pacific?

Every foreign sailor already in NZ doesn't want to leave. All the back-packers etc don't want to leave. If you let these guys in for this summer, will they leave again next winter?

It is far easier to say no to everyone, than to say yes to some and no to others. Its the 'where do you draw the line' arguement, otherwise known as the thin end of the wedge. Much like our lockdown was a blanket everything lockdown, Victoria have had some random 'lockdown' with so many loopholes, it wasn't really a lockdown. It didn't work for them.

While a logical arguement (from our point of view) can be put to let these cruisers in, I suspect the governments answer will be no to everyone. If C 19 keeps on going how it looks, over half the world's population will be claiming a good reason to be let into NZ. So, no to everyone...

I think that is the moral hazard - there a lot of people that want to move here (especially from countries with no welfare/medical systems. A depression is a great time to be in a country where healthcare is free and there is state care. Many of those people have paid very little tax in NZ, they are simply trying to get here to take advantage of things now. If you let the cruisers come (who have other options like tying up their boats and flying home- they aren't in any real personal danger) then you are saying NZ is open and the flood begins, our services get overwhelmed and we all pay for it.

I get that they will spend  a bit of money but it's the over all cost that I'm sure the Government is weighing up.

It's a bit misleading to call the cruisers a humanitarian or safety crisis though.

 

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58 minutes ago, Fish said:

So, if you are in governance, what do you do?

If you let people in from half a world away (Tahiti), who else do you have to let in? Half of India is clamouring to come back here. They already have established lives / family / jobs here apparently. Do those people have a greater claim to entry than cruising sailors in the Eastern Pacific?

Every foreign sailor already in NZ doesn't want to leave. All the back-packers etc don't want to leave. If you let these guys in for this summer, will they leave again next winter?

It is far easier to say no to everyone, than to say yes to some and no to others. Its the 'where do you draw the line' arguement, otherwise known as the thin end of the wedge. Much like our lockdown was a blanket everything lockdown, Victoria have had some random 'lockdown' with so many loopholes, it wasn't really a lockdown. It didn't work for them.

While a logical arguement (from our point of view) can be put to let these cruisers in, I suspect the governments answer will be no to everyone. If C 19 keeps on going how it looks, over half the world's population will be claiming a good reason to be let into NZ. So, no to everyone...

Good points, but - 

- already letting superyachts in if they have $50k pre-booked work

- safety is an issue, like it or not.  I am guessing but there's a strong chance that the cruising boat's insurance may not cover them sitting in FP during cyclone season.

 

Nobody wants Covid to get established here, but we should be looking at this situation and evaluating the relevant risks rather than conflating it with planeloads of people from virus infected countries.

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