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10 minutes ago, Bad Kitty said:

Numbers of film crew coming in is public record, no-one needs any special info to access it.

Film crew are being allowed in because 350 people coming in allows 1 billion + in work to continue. It's a net gain to NZ. Nothing more sinister than that.

This is the type of smart border management we need.

Private sector quarantine facilities need to be established, full cost recovery basis for non NZ citizens, and smart management of the border with a focus on economic activity / stimulation. 

NZ citizens need to be able to return free of charge (one way). But if citizens are leaving NZ for short trips, they should be paying full costs to return also.

The question is if the govt can adequately manage the border. The wider they cast the net, the harder it will be to manage.

Look at this a different way. If Opua and Whangarei want these cruisers in for economic benefit, then they should set up secure facilities (i.e. hotel, book a bach) not too far from the port of entry, and carry out full cost recovery for that. Then open the borders to the foreign cruisers, if they are happy to cover their costs. Some wont have a problem with that and will be in to NZ like a robbers dog. I imagine some will decide the $1,000 fee for Fiji isn't so bad after all.

Same arguement applies to the foreign students. The uni's need to show how they can manage the quarantine, without loading up the govt resources. If you can do it, then let them in. Film industry has done it...

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Yep all of that Fish, but the quarantine, and the quality of it, is crucial. We're only one a#*ehole away from being like Melbourne, and after going thru the pain I'd hate to go back to a lockdown.

It would be terminal for much of NZ's small business, and a fair chunk of medium to big business I suspect.

Any quarantine jumpers, including the special sort of dumb that broke into one of Rotorua's quarantine hotels, should spend a month in jail.

Just to drive home to some of our IQ challenged just how big a deal this is.

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1 hour ago, Bad Kitty said:

Yep all of that Fish, but the quarantine, and the quality of it, is crucial. We're only one a#*ehole away from being like Melbourne, and after going thru the pain I'd hate to go back to a lockdown.

It would be terminal for much of NZ's small business, and a fair chunk of medium to big business I suspect.

Any quarantine jumpers, including the special sort of dumb that broke into one of Rotorua's quarantine hotels, should spend a month in jail.

Just to drive home to some of our IQ challenged just how big a deal this is.

You give the impression that the people attempting to subvert quarantine are making rational risk/reward assessments when they do so.

This is, like any argument for penalties after the fact, irrational itself.  The mycoplasma bovis event identified that, despite a legal requirement to maintain records of stock movements, up to 70% of farmers knowmingly ignored this requirement, in a large number of cases because disclosing would mean that a "cash sale" would have had to be declared...  So despite both biosecurity and Inland revenue legislation, over 2/3 of farmers chose to break the law and expose their industry and the country to what turned out to be about $1b of damage.

As you say, the quarantine is crucial.  It needs to be kept clear of a profit motivation and firmly in the hands of enforcement agencies.  The current consequence of community transmission is too great.

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17 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said:

You give the impression that the people attempting to subvert quarantine are making rational risk/reward assessments when they do so.

This is, like any argument for penalties after the fact, irrational itself.  The mycoplasma bovis event identified that, despite a legal requirement to maintain records of stock movements, up to 70% of farmers knowmingly ignored this requirement, in a large number of cases because disclosing would mean that a "cash sale" would have had to be declared...  So despite both biosecurity and Inland revenue legislation, over 2/3 of farmers chose to break the law and expose their industry and the country to what turned out to be about $1b of damage.

As you say, the quarantine is crucial.  It needs to be kept clear of a profit motivation and firmly in the hands of enforcement agencies.  The current consequence of community transmission is too great.

No I think the people that do this are too stupid to make good decisions. But throw them in the slammer for a month, at least it sends a message, and may discourage the occasional slightly smarter muppet from the wrong decision. If a few farmers had been penalised appropriately it may have encouraged better compliance.

And before anyone starts with the whole bleeding heart garbage just save it. Jail may not cure criminals, but it certainly stops criminals visiting harm on decent citizens while the ar#*holes are locked up. And until our Government, whatever flavor, starts prioritizing education, healthcare, education, breaking the cycle of uneducated trailer trash & domestic violence, education etc. etc. jails should stay populated. 

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17 minutes ago, Bad Kitty said:

No I think the people that do this are too stupid to make good decisions. But throw them in the slammer for a month, at least it sends a message, and may discourage the occasional slightly smarter muppet from the wrong decision. If a few farmers had been penalised appropriately it may have encouraged better compliance.

And before anyone starts with the whole bleeding heart garbage just save it. Jail may not cure criminals, but it certainly stops criminals visiting harm on decent citizens while the ar#*holes are locked up. And until our Government, whatever flavor, starts prioritizing education, healthcare, education, breaking the cycle of uneducated trailer trash & domestic violence, education etc. etc. jails should stay populated. 

^this is the most interesting mix of fascist socialism I have seen here.

Thats not necessarily a criticism btw.

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1 hour ago, Black Panther said:

Isn't he heading for NZ? sounded very kiwi to me, I struggle to see what the Tongan Navy are hoping to achieve, policing an uninhabited reef at this time, that is and has been a safe haven (way point) for yachts people.

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