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33 minutes ago, marinheiro said:
3 hours ago, waikiore said:

I have sympathy for English cruisers that were in the Pacific at the start of all this, however not much for the yachts that left here for Fiji during the first lockdown  assuming they would get back in. 

the Zatara crew are a good example of the latter. It does not look like Australia or NZ is likely to let them in so their only bail out option if they want to leave the cyclone region is to head north to Palau or Guam, ie US territories(sort of in the case of Palau)

Errrr, surely unless they were already cleared to go, they would not have been able to. Who would have cleared them? If they did get cleared after lock down, then that is a Gvt stuff up.
 I can certainly understand that if a Vessel was ready to go and had clearance, it would be far better to get going. In fact Customs would likely be doing everything they could to get the boat underway. Once a Vessel is cleared, they really have no choice but to go. You are kinda forced to leave by the law. You cannot stop anywhere in NZ. I can only imagine that if for some reason you can't leave, you would have to go through the entire process of being checked back. Which would then mean you would have to go back through the entire process required for leaving NZ once lockdown was lifted.

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I think you know what I meant but for the avoidance of doubt I was simply asking whether a country (like NZ) known for its close affinity to the sea (ocean racing, leisure cruising + adventures,  rela

I agree with both Fish and 44 that cruisers are not a high political priority.... but again I don’t imagine cruisers are a high priority for the Malaysian or Indonesian politicians either - but they s

This is a Stupid decision and will effect peoples well being, if not their lives. It is not realistic to tell the yachties out there to "go home" as voyages and seasons must align for small ve

49 minutes ago, wheels said:

Errrr, surely unless they were already cleared to go, they would not have been able to. Who would have cleared them? If they did get cleared after lock down, then that is a Gvt stuff up.
 I can certainly understand that if a Vessel was ready to go and had clearance, it would be far better to get going. In fact Customs would likely be doing everything they could to get the boat underway. Once a Vessel is cleared, they really have no choice but to go. You are kinda forced to leave by the law. You cannot stop anywhere in NZ. I can only imagine that if for some reason you can't leave, you would have to go through the entire process of being checked back. Which would then mean you would have to go back through the entire process required for leaving NZ once lockdown was lifted.

not sure what you are getting at Wheels. Zatara (US flagged) received clearance out of NZ late June/early July on the basis that Fiji had pre-approved their entry subject to negative COVID tests before leaving NZ. They still had to stay quarantined for 2 weeks upon arrival at Denerau and were tested again

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12 hours ago, wheels said:

It is pure and simple poor communication and management of the situation by the Gvt. They are, very sadly, demonstrating this same level of bad communication and management in many situations.
So Super Yachts have been given the clearance to head to NZ. The smaller Yachts that are asking to be let in have had no reply via direct communication from the Gvt at all. They found out there was a "No" to them coming here only by reading the Gvt Website. That is very poor.

Super yachts haven't been given the go ahead that's also a massive issue they have to apply and insolate once arrived. The amount applying vs getting approved is very little.

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On 7/09/2020 at 2:04 PM, wheels said:

Errrr, surely unless they were already cleared to go, they would not have been able to. Who would have cleared them? If they did get cleared after lock down, then that is a Gvt stuff up.
 I can certainly understand that if a Vessel was ready to go and had clearance, it would be far better to get going. In fact Customs would likely be doing everything they could to get the boat underway. Once a Vessel is cleared, they really have no choice but to go. You are kinda forced to leave by the law. You cannot stop anywhere in NZ. I can only imagine that if for some reason you can't leave, you would have to go through the entire process of being checked back. Which would then mean you would have to go back through the entire process required for leaving NZ once lockdown was lifted.

I can make a comment on the point made. This has happened to me. 3 years ago I crewed on an Australian registered yacht and we cleared and departed Tauranga. We had all manner of issues with the boat and as you might deduce she wasn't up to the intended overseas passage. It wont help top get in to details, blame etc. But after several days the owner/skipper accepted the only option was to turn back. As it happened, and I think for reasons of anonymity, the Skipper choose Gisborne, and so Customs were radioed and gave permission to enter NZ. Gisborne isn't normally a port of entry. When we berthed the Customs agent was at the wharf to meet us; she'd driven up from Napier that day especially to clear us in.

The process was very simple, because we'd returned within 14 days of departure (and hadn't actually gone anywhere) they just cancelled our outward clearance from Tauranga. Technically the record states we never left NZ. The Customs Officer told us it happens more often than one might think. With Covid I'd presume we'd have been required to do the 14 days isolation/quarantine, but I don't know that for sure.

So Customs do have a process for failed departures. I gather it's pretty much the same for planes that need to turn round and return.

 

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2 hours ago, Steve Pope said:

An aside re a yacht returning to NZ because a crew member (1st time sailor) couldn't handle being out of sight of land, the yacht and crew were cleared in, but when leaving the 2nd time a few days later they had to re-do Cat 1 although nothing Cat 1 wise had changed.

Not only if you return. We gained our Cat 1 in Wellington in April  2017, sailed up to BoI for checkout there, but weather window closed and we were stuck at Opua for a couple of weeks. The inspector had only given us an expiry of 1 month from inspection date (or first overseas port). So had to have the Cat 1 redone and of course pay again. 

As an aside there doesn't seem to be clarity and/or consistency for/between inspectors as to the expiry date of a Category Certificate. Recently crewed on another yacht and the inspector entered the expiry date as 12 months following inspection date (or first port).

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Yes that happened and they almost lost all the good inspectors, happily most have returned (or retired).  Back to the original post -it seems the managing of these vessels once here and in Quarantine period is the major logistics hurdle.

One solution would be to take 10 cruisers at a time and let them in to Wharengaere Bay (crater bay) off the Te Puna inlet to anchor and serve out their time. Very sheltered from all quarters

the KeriKeri providores could easily supply them food and booze etc, we could string something across the entrance to stop them leaving, the locals could watch them and Winston could be called in to advise them that anyone coming ashore would be eaten.

As from next month the time spent offshore coming down here is to be taken off their quarantine anyway, I dont particularly care about the Superyacht crowd but we should be able to provide for the couples and families cruising the Pacific also bringing business to the Marine industry that would otherwise go to Aussie.

 

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