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Hmmm....I bet all those little $600 details soon add up to thousands.You spend more getting permission than you do on the voyage.

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getting back to the subject.You might stand some chance at some of the islands if you were a likeable chap and had a good sob story.Claim you were low on water,food and fuel and offer to depart immediately after they let you buy some.Of course you wouldnt have enough money to pay any fines.I think most island governments would rather see the back of you rather than the hassle of arrest and seizure.

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You might get away with it in one or two remote Islands, but today, you are really taking a huge risk of getting to have a Holiday within the four walls of a small grey room. If you really want that kind of Holiday, you may as well do a crime here in NZ and at least have a TV inside the little grey room.

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You could sail non stop to Mexico - they don't ask for clearance from the last port.

 

 

I think overseas registration is the way round it, the question is where and how much. Malaysia is easy and cheap. I'd also look at Raro, Vanuatu, Panama. It would be a good idea to register in a place you never intend visiting.

 

My next boat goes into my wife's name and get's Guayubin as Port of Registry.

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This Cat 1 stuff all seems pretty over the top. In the UK, you get a Small Ships Registration (SSR) from the RYA, and sail away. Or you did back in the 80s. I don't think it has changed. Just having the kit on board doesn't make you safe. Such a shame that NZ had to get all regulated regarding offshore voyages. Kinda goes against the grain for Kiwis doesn't it?

I wonder if you can get SSR being based in NZ?

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yeah but then the UK has a whole lot of other issues. As I said earlier, Cat1 is not really a whole lot different to what most cruising sailors have their boat equiped to know. It is only serious racing, like Solo Tas or other such that the inspectors tend to be tuff. And it is only the really experienced like Squid that considers sailing the Oceans with no equipment at all, that finds these rules difficult to swallow. But for the most of us, it's not a major. I really don't know why people get all upset with the idea. If you have flares, they expire anyway, Cat or no Cat. If you have a Raft, it expires anyway, Cat or no Cat. If you have a medical Kit, many items expire also. All these things need to be kept up to date, or you don't carry them at all. The Med kit is the only thing that is probably a real hassle. And many see no point in having it at a Cat1 level. But that is not to say that Medical situations have not happened at see where those kits have saved lives.

And I have also said before, the Inspectors have a fair amount of leeway in their "ruling's". We were onboard a couples boat (our dream boat) where they had no sailing experience, purchased the boat, Got Cat 1 and sailed for the Island three days after they had bought it. I have no idea how they managed to do that in three days, but they did it.

If I say this in perhaps another way, having your boat at a Cat1 standard is approaching Blue water Sailing in a Professional manner and having your boat well found.

The one point I don't agree with, is why do you have to have your boat at a Cat 3 or 2 for Club activity/Racing and not requiring anything at all for just going out on your own. Not that I want anything compulsary. But I don't see why you should have to have ratings for simple Harbour and simple Coastal organised events.

Maybe if all boats had to come up to a Cat4 instead of it being Voluntary, then we wouldn't have as many people getting drowned out there in poorly found boats.

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The UK and many countries aren't 1000 miles of open Ocean or a fast to change Tasman Sea.

 

And look at some of the horror stories you hear out of EU, UK and the US with regards to dramas that could easily been saved or stopped with some of the more simple gear we are required to carry.

 

Some requirements are silly but most are what any sane person would be close to having onboard anyway.

 

Like the lifejacket I didn't have when I motored out into the harbour this morning in a 6ft ding on my boat check run. It's a fair bit more lively out there than it looks from the ramp :?

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The UK and many countries aren't 1000 miles of open Ocean or a fast to change Tasman Sea.

 

You're kidding me KM. Atlantic Ocean? Bay of Biscay? Channel Islands tidal rates can be up to 8 knots... Ushant? Ever heard of the Fastnet race?? It's just as dangerous and just as fast to change. Plus they have FOG and lots of it plus SHIPS and lots of them. NZ is a dream to go offshore from..

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Most trippers from the UK go to the EU. Bay of Biscay sure, I'll give you that but I suspect many who get in the pooh there are of the same mindset of those who used to do the Sydney Hobart and to a degree our our Coastal C, 'it's only a couple of hundy miles down the coast so no worries'. That proved to be flawed.

 

Racing is different than cruising.

 

Just saying we have no option but 1000mls where most way up north tend to do shorter extended coastal, even if in some horror spots, so it does tend to give some a more comfortable mind-set than it should.

 

But the way the EU bureaucracy is rolling on and ramping up I wouldn't be surprised to see everyone have Regs like ours sooner or later.

 

So where are you Smithy? As in what part of the world, no need to get as detailed as 'In the loo with a Playboy' though :lol: :lol:

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But surprisingly, the water arounf the UK is warmer due to the Warm current. Otherwise England would be as white as Greenland.

As KM said, those that neture into the Biscay are well prepared. Fastnet even more so.

But what about the idea that you have to plot your trip before hand and then lodge that with Coastgaurd. What a pain in the neck that is. I would rather put up with a "Cat x" than that carry on anyday.

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But surprisingly, the water arounf the UK is warmer due to the Warm current. Otherwise England would be as white as Greenland.

As KM said, those that neture into the Biscay are well prepared. Fastnet even more so.

But what about the idea that you have to plot your trip before hand and then lodge that with Coastgaurd. What a pain in the neck that is. I would rather put up with a "Cat x" than that carry on anyday.

 

Is that in the UK now Wheels? If so... Sad...

 

In general, I found the UK based boats to be extremely well prepared, and ready for anything. I also found it much more of a challenge to sail and navigate across the channel and down the Atlantic coast of France than the North Island of NZ. Mainly due to lack of visibility (scary) and tides, which are huge. NZ coastal navigation can be pretty much done by eyeball and a few bearings. This was before GPS mind you. Sat nav and Loran were outside my budget.

 

In Germany, all skippers have to get liscenced before they go anywhere. Many of the skippers I met while running flotillas in Greece were very proud of their "Fuhrerschein". Shame they were ferkin useless at doing the real thing. We used to laugh when they flashed their bits of paper at us. (Maybe I should re-phrase that)

 

Having the paperwork, I find, means didly squat in real world terms. Having Cat 1, seems to be a similar imposition that provides no guarantee of a safe voyage. I object to being forced into doing something that I would do anyway by the government...

 

Maybe my thinking is out of tune with most yachties in NZ?????

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So where are you Smithy? As in what part of the world, no need to get as detailed as 'In the loo with a Playboy' though :lol: :lol:

 

Sadly KM, if you get caught with Playboy, or any form of porn in this part of the world, (And they look HARD), it is off to chop chop square with you. (Well OK, just a $1000 fine...).

Offshore Saudi, 6 weeks on, 6 weeks off.

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Smithy sums it up nicely. I don't like being told what to do. And the few (very few) areas where I would depart from their prescription, I would like to be allowed to do that. I'm a big boy now.

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Agree with both of you but maybe I just don't have faith in all yachties to carry some gear unless they are forced too. There are more than 1 or 2 frecking idiots out there.

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Let em drown - it'll scare a few more off and there'll be more room in the anchorage.

 

Someone at our office yesterday was all weepy about the 16 yr old kid who drank himself to death "so sad". Balls, If he'd got in the car and killed your daughter instead of passing out on a couch andf dying you'd hate his guts.

 

Darwin Rules.

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Let em drown - it'll scare a few more off and there'll be more room in the anchorage.

 

Someone at our office yesterday was all weepy about the 16 yr old kid who drank himself to death "so sad". Balls, If he'd got in the car and killed your daughter instead of passing out on a couch andf dying you'd hate his guts.

 

Darwin Rules.

 

While I agree on the yottie, it's a bit harsh on the 16 year old. Many of us on here will hav been down that road to a certain extent I am guessing. He just didn't know when to stop, and that's a learned thing with drinking isn't it?

 

Back to the Cat 1 though. In my experience, the more buracracy there is, the worse prepared the yotties are.. It's wierd. Some kind of inverse proportion thing going on... Maybe a false sense of security? I dunno.

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I thin k the man cold has me in a bad mood. You wouldn't wish death on a 16 yo for being stupid, but where were his parents?

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You are right though Squid. If he had of killed someone else, they would all being calling for blood. I honestly don't know how we don't have one of these deaths every weekend. You only have to sit in A&E on a Frid/Sat night and you will see what I mean. They are very lucky they get delivered to Hopsital in time.

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So leaving out the full on race situations, lets look at this for Cruising only and in relation to Cat1 requirments. Lets say we don't have to legally comply with Cat1.

Reasons why would be nice but not essential, but reasons why not would be really good to hear.

What equipment would people carry and not carry?

What saftey systems would people use or not bother with?

Anything else?

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