Bad Kitty 252 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 So we use a Rocna on Bad Kitty, but the rollbar screws up how it sits in the fair lead. Any one tried the new generation Rocna without the roll bar? Or how does the Manson version compare? KM, Jump in here, do I rebuild the fairlead and catwalk, or just change to an anchor without the rollbar? We've always had great results with the Rocna, and I don't want to go backwards in anchor performance. Thanks, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 the new rocna vulcan? http://artofhookie.org/2015/03/06/rocna-vulcan/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Spade anyone!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 interesting pic from an interesting post http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=31363&d=1315395318 the excel looks like a plow the spade below does look interesting but .....can't see any reason to change from the current over-sized belgian bruce Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 sarca excel gets a rap here http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f118/sarca-excel-68946.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I have to say first that I know nothing about the politics etc behind the current anchor manufacturers. I know Rocna had some issues with quality with their move to Chinese manufactures. My experience is with manson CQR type, then the Rocna, original NZ Made. The Rocna has been a superb anchor, setting fast and rarely moving. I've used it in over 1000 nights at anchor in pretty much all conditions. I know KM does not like them, really due to the business side, not the function of the anchor, as I understand it. The Rocna works very well. Others of the same vintage (manson supreme, SARCA etc) are probably similar. They all seem to work better than some of the older models... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 CQR stands for secure, for those that didn't know. When they came on the market they were considered so far ahead of the "old" oposition it was a no brainer to have one, they stowed well and worked pretty well over a range of bottoms. The Danforth was still supreme in the mud and the fishermans was for anywhere with rocks/ Kelp etc. it was like a replay of what has been happening over the last ten years or so, with the CQR now being the "old" anchor and the Rocna / Supreme being the new boys. Now there are new anchors being developed like the Sarca, the Mantus, and quite a few other variations, but all running along a along a similar theme, now the Vulcan is added to the mix, no matter what you think of any of them, it has to be healthy that there is still develpopment going on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clive 13 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Did the Med with a Spade. Excellent anchor. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clive 13 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Supreme - not as good as the Rocna - imho. bent the tip on one and rendered it useless. I dived on it to figure out what was wrong and it just skipped along the bottom - it was interesting how a slight change in the angle of attack changed things. The rocna has a welded triangular tip over the bent plat plate of the Supreme. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 for those that need pics the very rochna looking mantus and the unbalanced looking raya Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John B 106 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Cos it looks weird with the shank so close to the fluke? I have a rocna just because , a supreme would have been fine too. Damn things are so hard to get out and off the bottom , can't they do something about that, shirley ? I bought the one at the lower end of the size threshold for my boat too. I don't want an anchor that comes apart for my best( for a secondary maybe) I don't want one that bolts together and I don't want one with hollow components , especially the shank. Just saying. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 not saying it's bad it is what it is 2 stamped bit of metal welded together so the shank provides weight over the tip without the need for lead or extra steel it may work very well odd it looks not expensive doesn't look half as odd as the supermax Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 yikes! a plow with balls purely on looks in the hoop-less world the boss seems the biz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 very star wars! in continual development check out the versions with replaceable serrated teeth plates... instead of a hoop it seems to use a big horn? to prevent it landing upside down they say it is the strongest anchor in the world others say it never set... http://www.boatdesign.net/forums/attachments/all-things-boats-and-boating/18514d1201741586-future-anchor-design-sail-test.png Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 wow a spade and a plough strung out on the sea floor but nestled together on the bow roller seems overkill but for the boat that has everything would be hard to beat for holding + setting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 that looks like a longer link chain than normal, perhaps needed to allow the locking plate to locate?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marshy 30 Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 Would that count as carrying two anchors? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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