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So we use a Rocna on Bad Kitty, but the rollbar screws up how it sits in the fair lead. Any one tried the new generation Rocna without the roll bar?

Or how does the Manson version compare?

KM, Jump in here, do I rebuild the fairlead and catwalk, or just change to an anchor without the rollbar?

We've always had great results with the Rocna, and I don't want to go backwards in anchor performance.

Thanks,

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Oh yes Steve. For a mob who has as one of their main selling pitches 'we must be good look who's copied us' to see them blatantly do an almost identical copy to the Spade and then try to spin it as their new revolutionary design.is laughable. Even more so when you consider the Rocna was going to be what the Vulcan is i.e. a very direct copy of the Spade but they weren't brave enough and we couldn't find a way around the Spade tip weight patent, hence the rollbar. Add in the Rocna shank being a copy of the Deltas, the Fisherman version a  direct copy of the Supremes shank and the flukes with some Bugal anchor input so to claim they have been copied is nothing but excrement. Add that to the Vulcan which they must be using the chinese manufacturing to flick the bird at Alain Mr Spades IP and patents, one does wonder how they can say what they do with a straight face. Mind you the same mob is selling 'canadian' chain that when you go to suss you find the Ningbo factory is 9000km odd from Canada. Anyway.....

 

You can cut the rollbar off if you like, it is there as a way to get around a patent. But it does help the anchor orientate itself into a position to set. If you take it off we found it is possible for the anchor to land upside down in soft bottoms and stay that way even after dragging it for 200mts. So that is the risk you run in if you do that.

 

The exact same thing applies to the Supreme and for the exact same reason. The Supreme and the Rocna are for all intents and purposed the exact same anchor. But the Supreme does have way more features than the Rocna, it's also made on BizzAlloy steels not Chinese and it's SHHP approved by Lloyds. The tests show the Supreme a smidgen better, the tests that haven't been 'normalised' by Rocna that is. One area Rocna shits all over the Supreme is in the marketing, Rocna does a lot and Manson do bugger all in comparison. But then at the price of the Rocna/Vulcans they must have a massive margin to advertise with, something 1st world manufacturers wouldn't have.

 

If someone wanted a rollbar free anchor there is the aussie made Excel. It's one of the few SHHP (Super High Holding Power) Approved anchors (the Supreme, Super Sarca and Fortress being the others). It performs very very well in the tests and is one of the few that is not only convex its also concave at the some time and is probably the best one in the very small DDT (Deep Diving Technology) group. The reports we are getting at very very good.

 

How's that? What did I miss?

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And you look like Adolf Hitler and Ted Bundy but I doubt you work the same as them Erice ;)

 

If you put a Excel next to a plow you'll see massive differences.

 

All anchors can bend their shanks. Sure some more than others but generally most are fine when used correctly.

 

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Not a surprise Erice. Many forums have favourites that get better coverage then al the others. CF is well known to like Rocnas due to 2 mods and the sponsorship of the site by Rocna. But I notice lately it's now gone Mantus.... again with adverts. Shame really as when I was a Mod on CF we weren't allowed to lean any specific way and were pulled up if we did. It seems that has changed. 

 

But suss around and you'll find forums that like this one or that one. It's just the way of the interweb.

 

Not that I read the link but you also need to suss what's written, what's not written and by whom. Everyday we get told 75% of the story.

 

Mantus = a bizarre, weird Rocna/Supreme knock off. It's fugly and has obvious flaws but again it'll do OK as it has great marketing and in todays world you could sell second hand condoms to Nuns if you market it right. The most mentioned names in anchoring are not the best gear but they are the ones who spend the most on marketing.

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I have to say first that I know nothing about the politics etc behind the current anchor manufacturers. I know Rocna had some issues with quality with their move to Chinese manufactures. My experience is with manson CQR type, then the Rocna, original NZ Made. The Rocna has been a superb anchor, setting fast and rarely moving. I've used it in over 1000 nights at anchor in pretty much all conditions. I know KM does not like them, really due to the business side, not the function of the anchor, as I understand it.

 

The Rocna works very well. Others of the same vintage (manson supreme, SARCA etc) are probably similar. They all seem to work better than some of the older models...

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CQR stands for secure, for those that didn't know. When they came on the market they were considered so far ahead of the "old" oposition it was a no brainer to have one, they stowed well and worked pretty well over a range of bottoms. The Danforth was still supreme in the mud and the fishermans was for anywhere with rocks/ Kelp etc.

it was like a replay of what has been happening over the last ten years or so, with the CQR now being the "old" anchor and the Rocna / Supreme being the new boys.

 

Now there are new anchors being developed like the Sarca, the Mantus, and quite a few other variations, but all running along a along a similar theme, now the Vulcan is added to the mix, no matter what you think of any of them, it has to be healthy that there is still develpopment going on.

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Nothing wrong with the original Rocnas IT. These days I, like many, have issues with them being so over priced, the little too creative marketing and the continual changing of the anchor. When the Supreme does the exact same job there's little need for us to stress if we recommend one to a punter. Besides the Supreme is way better value for money these days. If the Rocna was unique then it would be a different story but it's not..

 

The Sarca has been around a lot longer than the Rocna and Supreme. It's nearly the same vintage as the Spade.

 

The Raya has been spotted again. That's the anchor Alain 'Mr Spade' reckoned is way better than his Spade. There is also another one lurking that is potentially a ripper. Bit spoiled for choice and it's gonna get worse maybe. I know one mob with a goodie isn't going to be going to hard, they are small and don't have the marketing budget you need to have to get traction these days. It is the 21st century and those with the best marketing win, the product isn't that important anymore. Shame really as we are missing out on some very cool stuff.

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Supreme - not as good as the Rocna - imho. bent the tip on one and rendered it useless. I dived on it to figure out what was wrong and it just skipped along the bottom - it was interesting how a slight change in the angle of attack changed things.  

 

The rocna has a welded triangular tip over the bent plat plate of the Supreme.   

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Cos it looks weird with the shank so close to the fluke?

 

I have a rocna just because , a supreme would have been fine too. Damn things are so hard to get out and off the bottom , can't they do something about that, shirley ? I bought the one at the lower end of the size threshold for my boat too.

 

I don't want an anchor that comes apart for my best( for a secondary maybe)

I don't want one that bolts together and I don't want one with hollow components , especially the shank. Just saying.

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not saying it's bad

 

it is what it is

 

2 stamped bit of metal welded together

 

so the shank provides weight over the tip without the need for lead or extra steel

 

it may work very well

 

odd it looks

 

not expensive

 

doesn't look half as odd 

 

as the supermax

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The Mantus is arguably more a Bugal tweaked design than the Rocna, which pretty much is one also anyway.

 

I see what you mean by unbalanced Erice. I like to ask things like that as there is so many terms for the same thing and lots of regional differences it's good to learn what people use and why, that way we can help others easier and faster. Differing terminology use is a common issue in my world.

 

Yeap the shank moved froward on the flukes can male it look strange but then it does work which is what it's all about. It's another way of tweaking to generate tip weight without adding extra weight or shapes that really aren't conducive to good setting. A bit like the V under the front of the flukes on the Vulcan and the Spade to a smaller degree, once the anchor is orientated the right way that V becomes nothing but a negative, just like rollbars do.

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odd it looks

 

not expensive

 

doesn't look half as odd 

 

as the supermax

 

If you want odd google the Hydro-bubble. You'll love that one :D

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