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2003. This is not 'news'.

 

 

Whose ignoring history?

I would have thought anyone entering the water would be aware of the ( many) potential risks.

What  are you suggesting?

Never mind, 

Enjoy your snorkel.

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don't get me wrong Fish - if I was in a position of influence I would have had it removed long ago. I reckon its a menace but I suppose you gotta to be fair to the iddy biddy seal , one rubber clad diver/snorkeller, 16 years ago doesn't exactly set a pattern.

 

I'd still chase it away if I could.

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Thanks Romany, I agree with the 'in a position of influence' bit whole heartedly.

 

I wouldn't look to this one incident as being pattern setting though. A single data point can't set a pattern. 

But if you consider both the normal habitat of Leopard Seals, and the historical absence of interaction between humans and Leopard seals, this single incident does carry a fundamental message, that humans in water in the same environment face a risk from Leopard seals.

 

How many people have gone snorkelling in Antartica? anyone on this forum? Anyone on this forum know of anyone who knows of anyone that has been snorkelling in Antartica?

I've got mates who worked down there for several winters, and family members that have visited, none went snorkelling...

But the people I know that enter the water around Westhaven and around Auckland in general is too numerous to count.

 

I'm seeing an increasing complacency from people around / toward this resident Leopard Seal. There is a real and ongoing risk that that wont end well.

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The other double standard is public vs workers. If a marina staff member gets bitten by a known risk they have warned the public about, I wouldn't want to be a manager at Westhaven or the owners.

Exactly. It seems that employee safety is more important than customer / user safety in the NZ environment.

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We have the wurst combination of ‘nanny state’ rules that are ineffective! If you’re going to have a rules-heavy government then at least get some benefit from it ie make sure it actually works and delivers something valuable (like genuinely enhanced safety). But don’t be in that crazy middle-ground with the hindrance of lots of rules which aren’t delivering any benefit. Either change the rules or ditch them and start again.

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Vets aren't trained as to what gunshot wounds look like. Its not in their syllabus. They have no regular experience with gunshot wounds, so the chances of any vet being able to tell them apart from a puncture wound is minimal. More so, when you can't get near the animal...

It terms of asking a professional, you could ask a lawyer, accountant or engineer, if they were engaged with or working for the happy clappy's, you'd get the exact same emotive carry on, and they'd all say it was a gunshot wound. What do you call it? confirmational bias?

There was never any objectivity around that call.

These aren't your average vets dealing with cats and dogs. These vets have trained in handling native wildlife and are specialists when it comes to gunshot wounds. Massey University particularly has years of experience carrying out post mortem examinations of native wildlife.
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These aren't your average vets dealing with cats and dogs. These vets have trained in handling native wildlife and are specialists when it comes to gunshot wounds. Massey University particularly has years of experience carrying out post mortem examinations of native wildlife.

Is that because Massey is the only vet school in the country?

So do you have any actual knowledge or proof that the 3 vets quoted have any first hand experience with gunshot wounds?

And if they did, how did they get close enough to differentiate it from a puncture wound, from say a bolt holding a dock fender on?

 

This reminds me of the great hallabaluu when the esteemed marine biologist started doing studies of sedimentation rates in the Sandspit marina. Made excellent headlines, only marine biologists have experience with, well biology, and he was drifting into technical areas he knew nothing about. But because he had some sort of qualification people thought he actually knew what he was doing. Those sedimentation studies were fatally flawed, and any engineer having a quick look at them could see why. Still gave the lefty poof tree hugging vegetarians something to go o about for several months. Its like dial an expert, get some great headlines, then quickly ignore any of the underlying facts or if the experts are working within their field of expertise...

 

And after all of that, the damn thing is still alive isn't it?

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We spotted her on her usual dock yesterday.

 

We were tying up next to her. Fear and panic at first. We called the Westhaven office and they came out and helped us. Westhaven staff are totally at ease around her and our fears were quickly put to rest.

 

She is very docile on the dock. Just rolls from side to side and rolls away when you get close.

 

She is scared of humans which is a good thing. I thoroughly enjoyed seeing her up close and would like to see her stay.

 

There are bigger sharks and Orca in our Harbour. The only difference is that they don't come on land and show of their size and teeth. Who in their right mind would shoot an Orca? Don't shoot Happy Teeth she is no different.

 

She looks perfectly healthy.

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Good to see you have zero idea what you are talking about Mate. Learn to read posts instead of imagining what people said.

I'm not sure what generational aspect you are on about but its got nothing to do with this, looked like a poor attempt at something witty.

 

Where I moor my boat we need dinghies to get from the boat back to the car. Happy teeth has had several up our way. Very very complicated getting off your boat when the dinghy is shredded. Is that OK with you that I hold a view on this? Why do I even need to ask your permission to hold a view?

 

And as for having a dog in this fight, excuse me, my apologies, I didn't realise you were the arbiture of who could hold a view and express it.

My issue in this part of the thread is the LeopardSeal.org people who came out and said a boatie shot it, cause it keeps on eating their dinghy's. That was based on zero evidence. They that followed it up with some spurious 'fact's that so called experts said it had been shot. 

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Good oh,

You have a point?

You have an aversion to colourful language, you've been afflicted with a severe case of political correctness? We should only use grey and conservative descriptors?

 

I can see this is going to be a completely unproductive thread. Mates already confirmed he doesn't actually read anything I say but still seems to know what I think... ignorance or something.

So I'll leave you guys to it and go sailing.

 

I am happy the leopard seal isn't causing issues and appears to be moderately docile. The news stories I had issue with was a month or two back and is well out of date (accept someone got bored and dragged it up again). Move on people, enjoy the steady sou'westers, have a good sail and don't drink too much at New Years :-)

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The seal has made westhaven its home? The marina management have accepted the seal? So if the marina have accepted it surely they must have an obligation to provide safe passage to or from the marina or dinghy ramps.

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Good oh,

You have a point?

You have an aversion to colourful language, you've been afflicted with a severe case of political correctness? We should only use grey and conservative descriptors?

 

I can see this is going to be a completely unproductive thread. Mates already confirmed he doesn't actually read anything I say but still seems to know what I think... ignorance or something.

So I'll leave you guys to it and go sailing.

 

I am happy the leopard seal isn't causing issues and appears to be moderately docile. The news stories I had issue with was a month or two back and is well out of date (accept someone got bored and dragged it up again). Move on people, enjoy the steady sou'westers, have a good sail and don't drink too much at New Years :-)

"colourful" is when you use crayons

 

Grow up son

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Yes it appears to have made a pontoon near the eastern entrance its regular sleeping/sun bathing spot

The marina management are bound by the law of the land they have no jurisdiction over that seal or an orca or even a humble parore

They have no obligation to provide passage to your boat due to sealphobia, but they may if you ask nicely :)

Under health and safety they would as you are a paying client.

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Crew.org seems to be the place where the anti-seal rhetoric is focused, out in the real world people either laugh about it or get a thrill from seeing it. Was speaking to someone the other day whose dinghy had a love bite, his attitude was all about fixing it and the seal was just like a naughty 3 year old so better put things up high out of reach

My experience in the "real world" around the yacht clubs and amongst the boating community in the area it inhabits is that most people I talk to hate the thing and wish it would piss off.

Outside of the community that has to deal with the damage it's doing it's different. People have seen the warm fuzzy media coverage and have no idea of the damage it's doing/don't have to worry about a 400kg Apex predator eating their children as they walk around the marina seem to have a different perspective.

Crew being a boaties forum is of course more likely to align with the former, but the sentiments here are not limited to crew.

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Its not that simple, the seal is a protected animal so unless there was a threat they cant do much except squirt it. They would have to get DOC or call the police or whoever is the right agency to handle it. I am not familiar with H&C regulations but i would imagine that compliance is ensuring that people are warned about the dangers and thats about it. 

 

Crew.org seems to be the place where the anti-seal rhetoric is focused, out in the real world people either laugh about it or get a thrill from seeing it. Was speaking to someone the other day whose dinghy had a love bite, his attitude was all about fixing it and the seal was just like a naughty 3 year old so better put things up high out of reach

Love bite? Like a friendly tickle from a 44 magnum, haha!

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