ScottiE 174 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Why? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted December 30, 2016 Share Posted December 30, 2016 Child recovery expert thinks missing yachtie Alan Langdon is headed for Oz with daughter Que he told the Herald today that he thinks Langdon has already made a dash for Australia, where he says Langdon has taken Que before. "He's announced to many people, friends, family, that this boat will make it to Australia and back 10 times, no problem," Chapman said. "Some people say the boat was heavily stocked to the gunnels with no room left ... and stores for over 30 days. "It would be a challenging trip, and one I wouldn't do, and one many people wouldn't do. But someone with Alan's skills, could easily do it." He estimates the crossing of the Tasman Sea in that vessel, which travels at about six knots, would take at least 30 days. Calculating tides and winds, and depending on Langdon's tacking, the boat would currently be between 400 to 700 nautical miles off the New Zealand coast, he says. it's not the first time that Langdon has gone on the run. In March last year the Langdon family of three - Langdon, Que and Wyler - was in Port Vila, Vanuatu, when Cyclone Pam struck. The category 5 severe tropical storm battered the island, claiming up to 16 lives and sinking at least 20 boats. It sank their 46-foot catamaran Sanyasin and the Langdons were lucky to escape with their lives. After the cyclone, when the Australian and New Zealand air forces were repatriating people, Langdon took off for Australia with Que, Chapman says. Chapman was enlisted by Wyler to find Langdon who kept moving about. He says he eventually tracked him to the New South Wales town of Nimbin where Langdon and Que were living in a campervan on a large farm. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11774805 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Nice one so the vessel travels at 6 knots and would take 30 days to cross the Tasman? Lets see at six knots 144 mile days x 30 makes the Tasman crossing 4320 miles, must be getting the Tasman mixed up with the Pacific. What a load of sh*t, the Herald up to it's usual standard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Chapman said there was a "99 per cent chance" Langdon was not in New Zealand and had made a dash for Australia. an RNZAF P3 Orion has searched the western coastline from Kawhia to Cape Reinga and the eastern coastline to the Bay of Islands, out to 35 nautical miles. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11775259 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScottiE 174 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Bollox - the guy seems too smart to think he could bunk off quietly to Aussie in a wharram. The best/ most legit I heard was that he left kawhia but entered port Waikato or the Manakau and then tbey flew out on false passports from AUCK! But the I also think it equally likely that they're still out enjoying the summer without the interference of arseholes line us! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
madyottie 82 Posted December 31, 2016 Share Posted December 31, 2016 Nice one so the vessel travels at 6 knots and would take 30 days to cross the Tasman? Lets see at six knots 144 mile days x 30 makes the Tasman crossing 4320 miles, must be getting the Tasman mixed up with the Pacific. What a load of sh*t, the Herald up to it's usual standard. Bear in mind it's a wharram. Windward stuff isn't their forte'. Plus if he's basically single handed I'd guess they'd be taking it slow, lets say 70-80 miles covered in daylight, then hove-to overnight, which in the Westerly winds we've seen lately probably equates to 40 or 50 miles in the right direction. Google says at 44 miles vmg/day it will take 30 days to reach Sydney from Kawhia. So I'd say it's probably not a bad estimate. Don't forget it was the investigator who made the estimate, not the herald. My feeling is he's probably just ducked into one of the many inlets up the coast and is either enjoying the break, or skipped the country by another means. Perhaps rendezvous'd with a friend's bigger yacht and sailed off into the sunset after pulling the bungs out of the Wharram. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Myjane 40 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Doesn't matter how good he is as a sailor it's up to the boat , can it stay afloat , was it lashed together like the warrams. Cats are , can it handle 40 kts on the nose in 4 mtr swell an still sail , a lot of factors to weigh up stupid move on all accounts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,566 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Didn't a sistership do a circumnavigation? Yep, found it In 1991-97 Rory McDougall sailed his self-built Tiki 21 'Cooking Fat' around the world, sometimes alone, sometimes with a companion. She was, and still is, the smallest catamaran to have circumnavigated. In 2010 Rory entered 'Cooking Fat' in the Jester Challenge (single handed 'race' across the Atlantic for small boats - under 30ft) and came into Newport, Rhode Island a close second after 34 days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 an excellent effort! but presumably the easy route following, gentle, trade wind route across the tasman the wrong way likely to be testing and with his 8 yo? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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erice 732 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 gnarly it was Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 an excellent effort! but presumably the easy route following, gentle, trade wind route across the tasman the wrong way likely to be testing and with his 8 yo? Actually if he left when there is a high in the Tasman (as often happens this time of year) it could be a good trip. I don't think it's probable but definitely possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Missing yachtie Alan Langdon and his daughter Que could be landing in Australia as early as today, said a top child recovery expert. Without the appropriate safety gear like no back up outboard motor and emergency locator beacon, Chapman is worried for the pair's safety. He said the police's description of Langdon as "foolhardy" is accurate. "He has greater confidence in his sailing skills than [is]warranted." Chapman claimed Langdon told Ariane and Que to stay onboard their yacht when they were moored in Port Villa Harbour while the 2014 category 5 Vanuatu cyclone hit. This is despite advice to leave the boat and find safety onshore. "Within a couple of hours their catamaran was destroyed on the rocks with them on board. They were taken to hospital with serious injuries."That's the kind of person who Alan is." http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11778045 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,566 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 I read that so measured the distance, The "expert" is calculating an average 2.5kn, maybe his bird has already flown? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 640 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 If this guy didn't take his daughter he would get top for up the authorities,no cat1 no custom declaration,just went and did it,Oh dear his name is not Shane is it?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smithy09 50 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 The Herald reports that apparently these two have been found alive and well in Aus. Very sketch on details... This was reported by the "Child recovery expert".. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MasterOfDisaster 0 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11780538 Curious as to where NZH are getting their information from. There's a massive swathe of "added extras" at the bottom which have no claimed source or quote. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Child recovery expert Col Chapman earlier spoke to the Herald, claiming he's been informed through a leak from official sources the pair had been found alive in Australia. Chapman was hired by the girl's mother, Ariane Wyler. "We got them. Just landed in Australia," he said via text. A member of the public tipped Child Recovery Australia off after seeing a poster the organisation had distributed. ulladulla's a pretty small fishing town, much like kawhia https://www.google.co.nz/maps/place/Ulladulla+NSW+2539,+Australia/@-35.3560553,150.31772,11z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x6b145095d6602661:0x40609b490441030!8m2!3d-35.3572426!4d150.4613249?hl=en-GB obviously not small enough to avoid the wanted posters + internet wonder if he was carrying passports, completed entry requirements? wonder if leaving without cat 1 will catch up with him? he wouldn't want to be sent off to naru and chucked in a cell with the other kiwis so am thinking they'll try to get him to agree to give up the boat, fly back quickly and deal with him here doubt he'll be seeing much of his daughter unaccompanied from now on story updating all the time Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rmiker 15 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 doubt he'll be seeing much of his daughter unaccompanied from now on story updating all the time He will most likely never see his daughter again.. Not least until she can make her own decisions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScottiE 174 Posted January 11, 2017 Share Posted January 11, 2017 Geez - I was wrong - he is a bloody idiot! What made him think that he could actually get away with it!?! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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