Island Time 1,226 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 True Willow, if you've done a bit of racing and are used to boats being close. If you're new to sailing, and are learning the ropes, so to speak, you may well be frightened by this. Hence the rule, 5 knots within 50m. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,581 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I was more pissed with the bloody jetskis off Manly. No knowledge of the rules and buzzing the sh*t out of us as we were transferring a couple of non sailors from the dinghy. Whoever invented those damned things should be shot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Jet skis ban the bloody things, I have at least half a dozen jetskis, fizz nasties and Launches break the 50m rule every time I go out in the summer just a sign of the times I guess. Would be nice to hear the other side of the story. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,226 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Jet skis are supposed to have plainly visible registration numbers aren't they? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hurts 6 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 that only applies if both yachts are racing, I got the impression that only the larger yacht was racing, therefore what IT said, 5 knots within 500metres. I would have thought 3 metres was pretty close for two random boats to pass.... So you are racing, and some cruiser is shambling along on your track; to pass it legally, you either need to find 50 meters (not 500??) on either side or somehow do it at 5 knots or less. That just wont work on a busy harbour, if its actually the law then everyone ignores it, rightly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Had a situation off Bean Rock late last year.We were on port on the wind,heading up the harbour.A group of seriously big yachts racing were coming down reaching with kites on port (windward keeps clear)as not to impede the fleet we went head to wind before we crossed the fleet and we got acknowledge by most.Courtesy costs nothing So in Kevin's case perhaps the 50 footer should/could of gone a little bit further to leeward but then we do not know what was to leeward of 50 footer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John B 106 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I think its a complete spin out on a new sailors behalf. To name and malign a man/ boat with hundreds of thousands of sea miles including circumnavigating and numerous trans pacific crossings ,here on a public forum is just appalling. Everyday event , except this one is a courteous sailor making life easy for a smaller boat. Bordering on slanderous behaviour in my opinion. Bloody disgusting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,226 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 JohnB, the name of the vessel has been deleted. Also, just because someone has many miles and is liked by locals , it does not mean they can never make a mistake. I'm certainly not saying anyone did - I wasn't there - but that many posters here have made a decision on who was correct without any real evidence either way. I see the only value in this thread being that it has made a few consider the rules more closely. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Ha Ha vessels name still there on page 2 "rangi" post Ha Ha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 398 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 One wonders what is the name of the complainants boat....... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,581 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Ha Ha vessels name still there on page 2 "rangi" post Ha Ha Fixed, thank you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin McCready 83 Posted January 31, 2017 Author Share Posted January 31, 2017 I'm Storm Fantasy, that's public knowledge, unlike some anon here. I've got nothing to hide. He was certainly going more than 5 knots. There were no boats to leeward. It wasn't in the harbour. There were no other boats within 1 nm or more. Accuracy on the GPS coordinates comes from putting the cursor in google maps and copy and pasting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Your co ordinates have you going in to army bay?1.06 miles out,google maps.is that correct,as I have never found google maps reliable at sea. if it is right i will give it another try instead of playing with paper charts and reading co ords off gps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zozza 293 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Your co ordinates have you going in to army bay?1.06 miles out,google maps.is that correct,as I have never found google maps reliable at sea. if it is right i will give it another try instead of playing with paper charts and reading co ords off gps Google maps coordinates are way out - always. They will not match true GPS coordinates. This is why you will some guys that advertise moorings on T/Me advise if they are giving Google earth co-ordinates, or GPS coordinates. If you stick G/Earth coordinates into your GPS maps you will be way out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Google maps coordinates are way out - always. They will not match true GPS coordinates. This is why you will some guys that advertise moorings on T/Me advise if they are giving Google earth co-ordinates, or GPS coordinates. If you stick G/Earth coordinates into your GPS maps you will be way out. That's what I have found so I will stick to my chart and gps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,581 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Wasn't there, don't know the people or boats involved, but I know my wife gets nervous if another boat is within 100m. In open water I can see no reason to be within say 2 boatlengths of another boat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bogan 8 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 For most of us on this board, racing gives you long periods of time with boats that close around you, and often in some pretty difficult situations. In that situation, no problem. We just assume that other sailors have some racing experience and will be comfortable with a controlled overtake of this type. This thread shows that might not be true. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 398 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 It appears that Bogan has hit the nail on the head.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 had 1 of the america's cup boats zoom by 3m? from my old small keeler once off north head they under spin on a deep reach, me loling along with flopping jib guess he wanted his tourists to get a real feel for the speed reasonably well telegraphed from his end by sailing right up my wake he could see i could see lots of smiles + waving Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clipper 343 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I reckon the etnz flyby before the start of coastal broke the 5 knots within 50m rule and it was one of the coolest things i have ever seen! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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