Fish 0 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 https://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/news/11353_UPDATE-Search-and-Rescue-operation-continues-for-Sun-Hung-Kai-Scallywag-sailor.html This link says: Fisher, who was on watch and wearing appropriate survival gear when he went overboard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philstar 61 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 https://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/news/11353_UPDATE-Search-and-Rescue-operation-continues-for-Sun-Hung-Kai-Scallywag-sailor.html This link says: Fisher, who was on watch and wearing appropriate survival gear when he went overboard. That's a pretty concerning statement in my opinion. The gear obviously wasn't appropriate because 1. He went overboard in 35 knots 2. I don't think he survived ! Maybe the tether broke, but what happened to the ais and personal epirb? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 According to this link http://oceansignal.com/news/ocean-signal-joins-forces-spinlock-enhance-safety-2017-18-volvo-ocean-race-crew/ he would have been carrying 2 x ais and 1 x PLB. One ais being auto activation, the PLB being manual activation. I'm not entirely sure why you would need 2x ais on one person. I can understand why you would carry an ais and a plb. There are reports that Skallywags ais was not working earlier in the leg. Its not clear if this was the transponder or what. With the dsc on this gear, fairly much any vhf should pick it up even with a broken ais. As for a manual PLB, the cold shock would be such that it would be 50:50 at best if the casualty could get that out and activated. Also, given a 10 m swell, I wouldn't think ais at sea level would have a very effective range. If he was carrying all that gear and they still can't find him (even the body) clearly something has gone wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hb1849 12 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 From above link "the rescueME MOB1 is automatically triggered the moment the life jacket is inflated". Are the lifejackets auto inflating? Doesn't seem likely given the boats look to be so wet? From this equipment list "Lifejacket – Auto & Harness, complete with Spray Hood & Manual Adaptor Kit" So if he was unable to inflate the jacket, the AIS would never have been activated....? (And even if it did, wouldn't be much use given likely survival time without LJ inflated). 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,586 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Part of my induction speech goes "If you fall overboard you will most assuredly drown. I don't care what fancy hi tech sh*t you have " Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crocket 12 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Don't want to make any assumptions, but I'm sure I recall an incident on leg 2, where a lifejacket did auto inflate on 1 of the boats and this also triggered the PLB. Certainly wouldn't want to speculate on being clipped on or not, but with wetsuit gloves and then mittens on top, it would be an easy mistake to think you're hooked on but not quite. Think what you like of David Witt and some of the comments that come out of his mouth, but this is tragic. He's only recently spoken about how stressed out he was regarding the safety of the crew down there. They also have their hands full just getting out of there now with the weather deteriorating around them. I wish them the best. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 It's really concerning and sad. Scallywag has now broken off the search and heading toward land. There is a search effort continuing, but no sighting so far.He is supposed to be wearing a Survival suit. So how long can someone stay warm enough in that water in one of those things? Are we talking less than an hr or a few hrs, or? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,235 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 About 6-8 hours for 7 deg water for a good suit and an average man (circa 85KG, 18% body fat) Sad event. Be interested to know why they could not locate him - not having the gear, or gear malfunction etc. Reports on what he had are very vague at this time. My condolences to his family, and all concerned Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 392 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 In that sort of water temperature you will not last long regardless of what you are wearing and how much identifying locator technology you have. Simply put the yacht has sailed a significant distance away from you in a raging sea. Could actually be miles before the crew accomplished a reverse course and a horrendous beat to wind and sea to return. I know somebody that parted company with their yacht in similar conditions in a similar part of the ocean. Wife and daughter wacked the boat into reverse with the motor and reversed down large seas to successfully pluck hubby from the sea. Lucky man. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
idlerboat 116 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Very sad. At its simplest, many life jackets dont inflate.....because the CO2 bottle has vibrated a couple of turns loose. The only security (small) in those conditions is a full harness with extremely strong tether and Jack lines. They should be very short as well.. I personalty think that stanchions and wire safety lines are a dangerous joke. They are to low and way to flimsy. Sliding along them is also no joke. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 He didn't have a survival suit on just a drysuit so wouldn't last long unfortunately. Update. https://www.facebook.com/volvooceanrace/videos/10156745907492437/?notif_id=1521983626986979¬if_t=live_video_explicit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I thought a dry suit and survival suit were the same thing Willow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 352 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I don't think it was even a dry suit, their wet weather gear has rubber neck and wrist seals as they have so much water landing on them Very sad news. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Timberwolfy 62 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 Wheels, from my understanding, they're similar, but survival suits tend to include higher tech than dry suits. Dry suits are a step or two up from a hardcore ocean bibs&jacket combo (eg, Musto HPX): https://www.waveinn.com/nautical-fishing/sailing-equipment-drysuits/11810/s I believe survival suits often have to pass certain criteria to be considered as such (eg, flame- and impact-resistance, inflatable chambers, etc): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_suit So a survival suit is a dry suit but not all dry suits are survival suits. Not sure what's standard kit for VOR. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Myjane 40 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I entered in the wrong forum, I have all wondered why they have not got a flair on there shoulder and a tracker to the boats gps so they can drop the gear turn and follow the track to the mob , the flair to position the boat for retrieval , the ocean wet weather gears company’s should get involved with this for these king of races. These guys are speeding along so fast covering the ground quickly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muzled 140 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 From the volvo website https://www.volvooceanrace.com/en/news/11370_Update-from-Team-Sun-Hung-Kai-Scallywag.html The following story has been issued on behalf of Team Sun Hung Kai / Scallywag On Monday 26 March, Team Sun Hung Kai / Scallywag lost John Fisher overboard in the Southern Ocean, approximately 1,400 nautical miles west of Cape Horn. Despite conducting an exhaustive search in gale force conditions, he has not been recovered. “This is the worst situation you can imagine happening to your team,” said SHK/Scallywag Team Manager Tim Newton, who has spoken with skipper David Witt and navigator Libby Greenhalgh about what happened on Monday. “We are absolutely heart-broken for John’s family and friends. I know for David, he has lost his best friend. It’s devastating.” Newton says he asked the crew to put together a timeline of events to ensure accurate reporting on the incident and it follows here: On Monday, 26 March, SHK/Scallywag was racing in Leg 7 of the Volvo Ocean Race from Auckland, New Zealand to Itajai, Brazil, approximately 1,400 nautical miles west of Cape Horn Weather conditions were 35-45 knots with 4 to 5 metre seas with showers reducing visibility. It was 15 minutes before sunrise The team was sailing with a single reef in the mainsail and the J2 jib. The Fractional 0 (FR0) sail was hoisted but furled At roughly 1300 UTC SHK/Scallywag surfed down a large wave leading to an accidental crash gybe John Fisher was on deck, in the cockpit. At the time, he was moving forward to tidy up the FR0 sheet and had therefore unclipped his tether As the mainsail swung across the boat in the gybe, the mainsheet system caught John and knocked him off the boat. The crew on board believe John was unconscious from the blow before he hit the water He was wearing a survival suit with a wetsuit hood and gloves and a lifejacket The JON buoy and the horseshoe buoy were thrown off the back of the boat to mark the position It took some time to get the boat under control and motor sail back to a position near where the man overboard occurred At 1342 (UTC), the team informed Race Control, by email, that there was a man overboard and they were returning to the MOB position to start a search pattern With input from the Maritime Rescue Coordination Centre and Race Control in Alicante, a search and rescue operation was carried out for several hours but there was no sign of John, the horseshoe buoy, or the JON buoy With weather conditions deteriorating, a difficult decision was taken to abandon the search and preserve the safety of the remaining crew Newton says the team is distraught but has a clear focus on getting the crew and boat back to shore. “This situation isn’t over yet for our team,” Newton said. “The conditions are extremely challenging, with strong winds and a forecast for a building sea state over the next couple of days. Our sole focus, with the assistance of Race Control in Alicante is to get the team into port safely. “Once we have achieved that, we have time to de-brief more fully and ensure that any lessons that can be learned from what happened to John are incorporated by the rest of the fleet going forward. “That would be a tremendous legacy for John, who spent so much of his time passing the learnings from his lifetime of experience at sea onto the younger sailors on our team.” Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Romany 162 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 out of respect for the sailor and his family Matt, I'd like to see this thread cease. There is no room for speculative comments, no questions to be answered, and while there is plenty to discuss this isn't the place or the time. Its just bloody sad. RIP John Fisher Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 out of respect for the sailor and his family Matt, I'd like to see this thread cease. There is no room for speculative comments, no questions to be answered, and while there is plenty to discuss this isn't the place or the time. Its just bloody sad. RIP John Fisher Do you want every other thread on every website on the Internet to cease as well?We haven't even started commenting on what happened, which I thought was very respectful. Check out the leading global sailing website, sailing anarchy, if you want to see disrespectful. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philstar 61 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Knocked overboard by the mainsheet while going forward to tidy up the fro sheet. Hard to appropriate blame, it just sounds like really really bad luck! Grim reading eh.............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
philstar 61 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I'm not sure about that. This story will fade fast, they always do, and the opportunity to learn with it. There is no out of the ordinary speculation but the thread will be a good kick in the slats for the rest of us who can be a bit sloppy with safety stuff. If discussing this incident and just one person learns something that then saves their life I'd think John and his family would be pleased, if it was me I sure would be. Personally my biggest fear of all fears, even larger than needles, is going overboard and watching the boat sail away. When Nick and Steve got taken out on Platino, I did find myself in the very unusual position of not sleeping for a few days due to thought of what Steve went thru. This incident and thread is yet another reminder, and a huge kick hard in the knuts level, for me not to be as slack as I know I often am. The chances are exceptionally high next time I'm out there and hesitating for whatever reason whether I clip on or 'just pop up there for a quick sec' both Steve and John will pop in to remind me to clip on and not to be a dickhead. I can see myself thanking them both for that. Well said !! If there is ANY positive to be taken out of this its this. 1st rule - Don't go overboard ...Ever !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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