armchairadmiral 411 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Interesting discussion.Both sides have valid points to make. BUT if you want entries in races don't put up more blocks. Dr.W post on last minute replacements being a good example.Back in the day there was no requirement and membership of clubs, (RAYC and PCC) (I belonged to both) was viewed as what you did. The clubs actually provided a congenial atmosphere and after race festivities that attracted members voluntarily. Nowadays,for whatever reasons,thats not the case.So ,instead of compulsion make your club attractive by providing what people want. That might include anything from tea and scones to a prayer mat but ask potential members and then do it. We like it like this from existing members might be one real reason of declining membership by those who don't like it ? BTW we won't be doing the 350 ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted November 2, 2018 Author Share Posted November 2, 2018 If a crew member won’t pay $65 a year for a club membership find another sport! Not a big expense in the grand scheme of thing. I don’t see why people find it such a issue It's a cumulative issue. There are soooo many 'not really a big deal' little requirements coming in, each one in their own right perfectly justifiable, but the quantum of each on of those little things is getting bigger. Its forming a barrier to participation. Native actually wrote some good stuff a few posts back asking what is needed to increase particaption, especially from the school kid dinghy fleets into keelers. I think people underestimate the cumulative affect of all the requirements to enter a yacht race. I would try and list them, but alas I don't have the time. Now, compulsory membership is a standard clause from YNZ. If this was applied to the Coastal, YNZ would benefit at $24/ head, and depending on numbers could benefit by around $20k. But would we still get 160 entries in the Coastal? Would we get more or less entries? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex Machina 365 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 It was interesting to note that there were 80 odd boats in coastal this year that were new to the race or hadn't done the race for many years . Last year the total number of boats participating was very similar 150ish ? What happened with the 80 odd boats from last year that didn't participate this year ? Sure some would not have been able to make it due to other commitments but that's a very large drop in return participants Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 In general club memberships are dropping due to things from my experience 1)old fossils who do not like change 2)Oh no we cannot justify that expense just to see if we can attract more members 3)have a look around clubs after a race how many crews go to the club?bet numbers have dropped off due to having 1 or 2 lemonades while sailing and wont risk driving just in case. 4)as someone stated and I have noticed,where are the young dinghy sailors 16/17 boys/girls gone too?why have they not stepped up?is it because we wont take a novice or maybe discovered girls/boys. 5)it was talk about at committee level to invite young sailors along and thats where it ended "talk" 6) I have no intention of rushing out to buy another vessel,much rather crew and put money in to house,childrens education Remember the days of the rayc winter racing 1980s pcc 1980s big fleets now dwindling numbers 1970s 5 or 6 divisions at rnzys last time I looked numbers down . I have theory as to why,Americas cup/volvo ocean racing, unless your good enough for these events might as well give up.youth today do not want to work their way up they want to step on to a winning yacht Not just yacht clubs dying so are local RSA/Rugby clubs etc Sorry for wandering off topic but its all relevant, its a 24/7 life style today. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex Machina 365 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 I don’t begrudge YNZ taking a levy but I want proportional representation Me neither they do a lot for the sport just pointing out that it may be a big part of the reason more races only want affiliated members crewing . It helps keep the wheels turning at YNZ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 All 5 races of the Gold Cup series require compulsory crew membership. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armchairadmiral 411 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Keeping the wheels turning at YNZ may be an expense amateur sailors can no longer afford....if the salaries (the major expense) need to be financed by compulsory membership. BTW in my case they get two bites of the cherry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armchairadmiral 411 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 WOW.....! Thx......maybe that's where we should be focusing attention.? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 That's a call made by the RAYC, one it is allowed to make. Absolutely, Its Royal Akarana's party, I'm not questioning that. But compulsory crew membership for the 5 Gold Cup races kind of smokes the argument put in this thread that "its just one race, and its a big scary offshore one, that you wouldn't take a newbie on anyway". Four of those races are nice day sails around the harbour. Great for introducing friends and newbies to sailing / racing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 Not really if youre serious Weight on the rail = righting moment = more power Weight on the rail = flatter boat = higher pointing But yeah, you wouldn't want to take things too seriously Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fish 0 Posted November 3, 2018 Author Share Posted November 3, 2018 They probably would have been weeing their pants with excitement sending in under gennie coming back from Saddle Island today though, and would have been handy on the rail getting up to Saddle Island, today, in the Bean Rock race. They'd probably come off the water today after a massive send, absolutely fizzing, and dead keen to join up, both on a crew, and the Royal Akarana membership. If they'd been allowed. What do you reckon the compliance rate is for all boats and all crew in the Gold Cup? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Y88 5241 25 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Me neither they do a lot for the sport just pointing out that it may be a big part of the reason more races only want affiliated members crewing . It helps keep the wheels turning at YNZ To be fair the wording is set by World Sailing not YNZ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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