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Lets look at it another way.

 

Membership at the RNZYS is not cheap but many of us pay it because that's the club we sail with. It has many benefits for us that make it worth while (reciprocal rights at many overseas clubs for example).

If non members or 'guests' have many if the same benefits but without paying any membership fees then why would you bother becoming a member?

How does that help the sport?

 

It sure looks to me like there are plenty of boats heading out rum racing at the RNZYS on Friday nights....

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Why? Ponsonby  club used to get heaps. Where is the Panmure club situated that could have something to do with it..

Panmure historically had good fleets. Plenty of boats in the river but not bothering with the PYBC.

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Rum races are for the wealthy and the retired they aren't serious nor are they the entirety of yachting, far from it.

 

Nor is it a club v club thing as ALL clubs are suffering the same issues, keelboat at least. I've chatted to many YC's management over the last season or 3 and the length of the country, all say the same thing, all are facing the same issues to varying degrees.

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I dont know much about current racing, its many years since I did much but local club events. However, I can say the cruising fleets are growing. I think the racing issue is cost. The middle class kiwis provided the bulk of the competing boats in the past, and that middle class has significantly reduced in number. People are either struggling to make ends meet, working long hours, with very limited time, or they can afford expensive race boats, and often paid crews. Not so much in the middle any more. This is also why short handed racing is more popular - easier to find a crew. IMO.

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Whats serious, going round the horn, RNZ, SSANZ triple? Yachting is what you make it and that attitude  that its for rich wankers is precisely what kills off interest.

I think you may have missed the trend of the last 20 years. The boats with the biggest cheque book tend to do better. Hense the decline of Joe average with the family cruiser participating. 

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I use to do a bit of rum racing at BBYC 10 years ago with my father on his Beale 42 Summer Rain, really enjoyed it,

I have done one since, about a  year ago on my own boat, lack of crew is the biggest problem, its hard for people to get the time off on a Friday,  as well as then having to battle the Auck traffic to get there.

short handed suits me, so I have joined  myself and son inlaw , [who has done very little sailing] to SSANZ, to have a crack at the triple series,  cruising division for now,  getting the boat ready and looking forward to it

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that attitude  that its for rich wankers is precisely what kills off interest.

I do apologise, I really shouldn't be laughing at your very poor comprehension skills.

 

But I am.............. :D :D :D :D :D

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The cost of boating, not just racing, is becoming harder to afford. It is not just the boats and their keep alone, but as BP has said, the cost of living is one biggy.
We recently had to give up our boat. It has been heart breaking for both of us. It was our life almost. We are only one income.
My wife earns what used to be considered a damn good wage of $25/hr ($50K/yr) A very very good wage for Marlborough, which is nicknamed the 10 dollar town. Our mortgage is very modest when compared to what some people have. The average rent is now at a median of $438 here in Blenheim and our we are on a plus side having a mortgage lower than the cost of rent. Our power usage is very low. Our rates are low because of where we live. We do not smoke and buy takeaways once per fortnight. We may have a wine once a month. We live just 10Kms from our place of work.
Yet we are struggling to have enough money to pay all the bills and maintain a boat on top. It was becoming a huge financial stress and some big expenses where coming up with Antifouling her again and we had no extra income to cover it. She needed new House batteries, She needed some rot removed. The list went on and it got to a point where we had to sell. I found that impossible. You only need to take a look at Trademe to see some spectacular boats for sale cheap at the mo. Some real bargains are to be had if you in launches on Trademe. Then I had a major issue take place. A Solar panel failed and the battery went flat and thus the bilge pump failed and the bilge filled to the engine level. No water internally, but a lot of the gear around the engine room needs sorting. I had two choices. Wreck the boat or give it away. I managed to find someone to give it away to. So we have walked away from a huge investment, both monetary and personal.
But I know I am not on my own.

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sh*t wheels I'm sorry to hear that. That's tough.

I know your not the only one.

If you two are ever in Auckland and would like a sailing weekend, or wish to come up for one, let me know. You're welcome any time. :-(

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Crikey Wheels that is definitely a bummer experience however the storm will pass and the sun will shine eventually....

We spend most probably over $10k a year owning our log of wood with the greatest portion being marina fees take few overseas trips drive modest aged vehicles and are presently mulling the harsh reality of quitting at little $$$ return our much beloved yacht.

For us it will be a death in the family moment and it will take many moons to round off the sharp stabbing edges of that separation and loss but the ever rising tide of costs associated now require a hard close look at the reality.

Use the boat some years about 30 times so let’s say roughly $350 per use excluding consumables which when scaled against fly drive accomodation and consumables is quite reasonable value and in our book bloody oodles more fun and adventure.

However the sinking value of craft that you point to in your post Wheels negatively colours ones objectivity as a owner so most probably will look to take hit now and spend some of the $30+k saved in the next 3 years exploring other options.

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Interesting discussion re costs versus utility.  If I sit down and look at boat ownership on a pure cost basis … anyone who I explained it too would most probably commit me to an asylum. Costs alone it does not add up...in fact... it is financially absurd. I earn a modest income and work very hard to do so like many do -  to pay for my boat. I have given up many things to enable continued ownership and also drive a twenty year old car that is worth less than my tiller pilot or a new # 3 jib. 

 

However, the boat to me is way more to me than what it costs. It represents and delivers a pure freedom in an increasingly fast paced and challenging world, the ability to actively seek solitude, new challenges, fun times with family,  experience fear at times and provide constant learning including electrics, navigation, splicing etc

 

If I look at the cost of ownership I have by way of example:

Ross 30 - 2.9 beam , 2.4 draft , Composite construction

10 metre Marina berth - $370 per month

Insurance - $750 per year

Memberships - $450 per year, VHF users subs 90.00 per annum

Haul outs - wash and hold only - this year $800 (Cheap)

Annual Maintenance haul out excluding time and labour - $1200

Travel to boat - CHC to Waikawa - 380kms (4.5 to 5hrs) each time one way - $100.00

Sails - Indicative - New Main circa - $8000-9500 - New # 1 jib - $4000-5000, New Spinnaker $3000.00

Motor - Annual servicing by self - $300.00

Aux fuel and oil - $800.00

Running and fixed rigging repairs and maintenance - $2000.00 per year

Improvements- AIS, MFD, instruments and installation at cost + 5% +GST - ($5500) 

EWOF initial - Cabling and Certification - $550 re cert every four years ( $220 inspection fee)

Cat 2/3 - every two years $200 minimum

Raft Capital cost  and re - cert every three years $2000 + $850 -1000 every three years

EPIRB, PLB - ??

Garmin In reach annual subs???

Lifejackets testing/certification ???

Tools ???

Dinghy repairs and maintenance annual - $120

Aux motor service - $200 - in warranty

PHRF cert - $180 - annually

and so on - does it make sense on a boat that the market suggests might be worth 20k on a good day regardless of presentation and equipment list … nope

 

Recently and somewhat ironically, I have had persons approach me to borrow my boat for a regatta...I'm not in an financial or philanthropic position to facilitate such a request as I'm sure some are and yet I feel guilty because I'm not assisting participation and growth in sailing!

 

Wheels - sorry to hear about your loss - if you need a day out in the sounds please get in touch.

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The cost of boating, not just racing, is becoming harder to afford. It is not just the boats and their keep alone, but as BP has said, the cost of living is one biggy.

We recently had to give up our boat. It has been heart breaking for both of us. It was our life almost. We are only one income.

My wife earns what used to be considered a damn good wage of $25/hr ($50K/yr) A very very good wage for Marlborough, which is nicknamed the 10 dollar town. Our mortgage is very modest when compared to what some people have. The average rent is now at a median of $438 here in Blenheim and our we are on a plus side having a mortgage lower than the cost of rent. Our power usage is very low. Our rates are low because of where we live. We do not smoke and buy takeaways once per fortnight. We may have a wine once a month. We live just 10Kms from our place of work.

Yet we are struggling to have enough money to pay all the bills and maintain a boat on top. It was becoming a huge financial stress and some big expenses where coming up with Antifouling her again and we had no extra income to cover it. She needed new House batteries, She needed some rot removed. The list went on and it got to a point where we had to sell. I found that impossible. You only need to take a look at Trademe to see some spectacular boats for sale cheap at the mo. Some real bargains are to be had if you in launches on Trademe. Then I had a major issue take place. A Solar panel failed and the battery went flat and thus the bilge pump failed and the bilge filled to the engine level. No water internally, but a lot of the gear around the engine room needs sorting. I had two choices. Wreck the boat or give it away. I managed to find someone to give it away to. So we have walked away from a huge investment, both monetary and personal.

But I know I am not on my own.

Wheels: I feel for you it is so hard and there is so much working against us..

We have just gone through the exact same situation and sold the boat for $1 on trademe while she was sitting on the cradle an hour after hauling from the water.

Spent a lot of money on a boat worth retail max 15k.. Age and health care let me down.. Just spent 18k on new engine and repairs.. Maxed out financially and bang need a minor op to correct a debilitating condition but no not going to happen according to the Waikato DHB so boat gone.. minimum 50k down the tubes :(

However will be going back for more I hope :)

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Was yachting this expensive back in the 70’s hey days?

 

Did everyone back then have big yachts tied up at expensive marinas? Get hauled out by big machines? Did they sit in cradles to be antifouled? Have electrical systems that could “plug in” and require inspections and certs? Did they have electric everything?

 

I wasn’t there, but the books I’ve read seem to give the impression that boats where smaller, more simple, swing moored, more diy maintenance, antifoul on a grid or the beach, no fancy gizmos to break down or replace.

 

Honest question because I wasn’t there! but it does seem we modern folk have increased our yachting costs our selves? Surely 70’s folk are the same as us modern folk? Had same fun and adventure?

 

Anyone here who sailed in the 70’s able to comment? Did you or your parents keep the boat at a marina for your step on convenience? Have it “plugged in”? Have it hauled out by machines? Etc etc

 

Why do we complain when costs are high when we do it the expensive way??

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Hmm, yep, absolutely right. Not for me in the 70's, more 80's. My first keeler was a Raven 26. Petrol ford Anglia engine. No electrical other than engine start and nav lights. Kero lamp inside. No fridge. No pressure water. No heating. Cold vinyl squabs. Dacron sails. Kept her on a pile mooring.  

But - she still consumed all my "spare" money!!!

Had a great time in her and learned a lot. First coastal trip in her was round North Cape to Mana....

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