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I wasn’t there, but the books I’ve read seem to give the impression that boats where smaller, more simple, swing moored, more diy maintenance, antifoul on a grid or the beach, no fancy gizmos to break down or replace.


That's how I remember it. Pressure water was a luxury. Now I look at the complexity on offer at boat shows and wonder if it's progress...

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I think we now know better than to antifoul over the beach.


People now partake in a wider variety of pass times, work long hours and sit in traffic, these all leave less time for boating, meaning being in a marina berth reduces the admin and time involved in going boating, without marinas, I’d think participation would be a heap lower.


As people become busier, and office jobs more prolific, individuals ability, and again, time, to fix things them selves becomes reduced, meaning boat owners are more inclined to pay someone else to fix their boats - they either can’t do it themselves, can afford not to have to, or don’t want to spend what little time they have for boating doing repairs, but instead out boating. This too means they can’t fix them themselves while out if they break down, meaning more reliability is required, therefor better engines etc.


Less time to learn and perfect skills also means, for example, better navigation equipment is required.


The only bit that’s a mastery to me, is why are we all so busy? What are we doing, and is it making us happier than before? I suspect maybe not.

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Thanks for the kind thoughts and offers.

Think of it this way. Back in the 70's, how many couples both had to work? Had to that is. Often the Father worked, the Mother ran the House and brought up the Kids. Many of us low to middle income families still enjoyed the odd holidy and many a bloke could own a boat. Today, very few couples can make ends meet with just one working. I would suggest that if a couple is not earning at least $60K per year, they would not be able to afford a Boat in the water and a house as well.
So OK, Aucklanders may well be above the $60K/yr mark, but for the rest of us, that's a damn good wage. If you are not a teacher that is ;-)

In Auckland, , the average salary is NZ$58,798. The most popular occupations in Auckland are Account Manager, Software Developer, and Operations Manager which pay between NZ$59,131 and NZ$79,574 annually.Apr 13, 2019


Not everyone has the luxuries. In fact stuff is far cheaper today and allows us to have those luxuries easier and things you see at boat shows are often aimed at the wealthy boat owner anyway.
It is the cost of everyday living now that has got out of hand. Hence having to have both partners working for most. And then the expenses of essentials re owning a boat. Like Marina, Insurance, Maintenance.

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Median Salary in NZ is about 49K. That means that half the people working earn less than 49K.

Median Salary in Akl is harder to find. But likely to be less than the average salary. 

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Mast up hardstand provides many savings in maintenance etc over a boat kept in the water.  Dry sailing is very popular overseas where there are lots of facilities & infrastructure.  Unfortunately in Auckland there aren't many options for larger boats (25 - 30 foot) which is a shame, especially as there are some awesome modern trailer boats available.  Westhaven hardstand is almost as expensive as a small marina berth.  The area of housing close to Bucklands Beach boat ramp doesn't have overhead power lines so some people there can keep their boat at home mast up & tow it down to the ramp.  Lots of great facilities in the rest of NZ for trailer sailing.

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Whats serious, going round the horn, RNZ, SSANZ triple? Yachting is what you make it and that attitude  that its for rich wankers is precisely what kills off interest.

I find it sad your go to with wealthy is money and then get abusive to boot.


Rum races generally kick off during most peoples work times or within minutes of knock-off, what do you need to be wealthy in to be able to make the start?


The sad f**ks go the dollar, the smart people know it's not that at all.


So as I said rum racing is for the wealthy IN TIME and the retired who do tend to be more TIME wealthy that those doing the 9-5.

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Time ha ha! Now you know how to “spin” Making something appear to be quite different because its expedient..... Politics 101.


Getting back to the subject at hand, I have had so many conversations with people who say that the value of boats is inversely proportional to the cost of berthage. Westhaven put the prices up, but values go down. There are plenty of boats in the racing scene that are in what I call the vulnerable range that is they are cheap, worth anywhere between 20 and $50,000 that cost between 6 and $10,000 a year to park, let alone buy sails. No wonder we cant give them away so why would you go ahead and buy a boat for those kinds of running costs when there are plenty of other activities that you can get yourself involved in that cost a lot less than 10 or 15,000 a year?

 It is a choice...

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The cost of boat ownership is relative to the lifestyle needs of the individual.

This is in no way a judgement...its a fact.

A proverbial  young couple with boundless energy and happy to live in a very cheap lifestyle can and do have less financial stress than perhaps a more weighted couple.

Time is money... Having lots of time and being willing to spend it on your boat (or any other project) reduces what you  $pay to buy or get someone else to do for you..

These previous statements are just hard cold fact.

Relative income is relative to all purchases.

Bigger boats cost more...

Having a larger boat is very similar to having two houses.....If you dont live aboard.

Having a boat AND living on it full time is a very cheap way to live...


As much as anything...the newer cost of boats is due to the complexity that we deem necessary in them...

Like cars, houses, and our bodies...time also takes its toll...on boats.


The relative cost of Parking boats is the one major thing that I think has changed....

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While Westhaven is clearly the centre of NZ keelboat racing, it’s not all of it.


Here in Whangarei you can rent piles for $1k per annum.


The local cruising club membership is quite high but you get some decent facilities.


On a cost basis keelboat ownership and operation compares pretty well with other popular pastimes up here- about the same as golf, cheaper than motorsports, cheaper than fishing/game fishing, probably a bit more than Rugby.


Again with no traffic issues time is less of a concern a lifestyle options can be worked out.


Yachting NZ and local clubs seem to be doing absolutely nothing to attract non-sailors to keel boats (there are some school programs run by our local sailing trust). That’s a worry as a lot of club members are getting on a bit.


I guess that comes down to volunteers and who’s on the committee.

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Talking to mate who is a leader for a youth sailing group last night. Too much has fallen on too few for too long and the group is failing and isn't far from winding up due to a lack of interest and support from other parents. 


They have systems, boats, patrol boats, a virtual "turn key" operation that would take a heap of effort and dollars to replace and I doubt if they are alone.


Seems awfully sad to me but is this just a sign of the times?.  

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Yachting NZ and local clubs seem to be doing absolutely nothing to attract non-sailors to keel boats


Or doing anything about attracting sailboat owning non members.  


I think Island Time summed it up pretty good, earlier in this thread.

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