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On 29/08/2020 at 9:45 AM, grantmc said:

In answer to your question, I think that ignoring the law and just sailing to NZ or Oz would have significant negative consequences. 
In Oz they'd just be regarded as wealthy 'boat people', their yachts confiscated and lengthy periods in one of the many Immigration camps until they could be repatriated.
Here in NZ consequences wouldn't be much better.

Agree, very different circumstances.

Agree the consequences would be negative in Aussie as it should be.

But disagree with the last sentence as I suspect all that would happen if they turned up here is a strongly worded letter at best.

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39 minutes ago, aardvarkash10 said:

^Only if they are NZ citizens or residents and can show they have a specific need or meet the relevant criteria.  You know, just to keep it real and not ZB-ish...

yeah like this guy who lied thru his teeth to get a visitors visa and now we are stuck with him

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122166500/iranian-writer-behrouz-boochani-granted-refugee-status-in-nz

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14 minutes ago, marinheiro said:

yeah like this guy who lied thru his teeth to get a visitors visa and now we are stuck with him

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122166500/iranian-writer-behrouz-boochani-granted-refugee-status-in-nz

I don't know, anyone who can succeed after being detained for 6 years would appear to have a bit of tenacity, and may well be an asset to the country. Perhaps he could teach tenacity at schools, would be a hell of a good lesson in how you have to make sacrifices and preserver to achieve a goal.

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24 minutes ago, marinheiro said:

yeah like this guy who lied thru his teeth to get a visitors visa and now we are stuck with him

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122166500/iranian-writer-behrouz-boochani-granted-refugee-status-in-nz

What a complete and utter falsehood.

Behrouz was invited to come here for a writers festival and made a fully legal and compliant application for refugee status after enduring six years of our Aussie neighbours abominable inhumane refugee policies.

Hang your head in shame with Armchair where’s your humanity.

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Shame that some people still don't want to respect the law. This thread has come in a nice circle. People who think Smith should break the law seem to the same people who don't understand that NZ has signed up, and good on us, to the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees.

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15 minutes ago, Priscilla II said:

What a complete and utter falsehood.

Actually it's not. He was invited here for the festival, that is correct. When he got here there was a wee whoha about it at which time he specifically said 'I'm here for the festival then leaving as per my visitors visa'. His sponsor, the Greens, swore black and blue he was he for the festival only and it was not an attempt to sneak in the back door or short cut any procress.

At the time a LOT of people called that bullshit, the greens are full of sh*t and lieing, most wise money said Gloria Wokie the green women was full of it just like writer dude. The greens and their pastys plus the dude deigned that vehemently.

Yet here we are and so is he.

The humanity or whatever aside, the greens lied, he lied and now NZ is stuck with him for better or worse.

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35 minutes ago, Priscilla II said:

What a complete and utter falsehood.

Behrouz was invited to come here for a writers festival and made a fully legal and compliant application for refugee status after enduring six years of our Aussie neighbours abominable inhumane refugee policies.

Hang your head in shame with Armchair where’s your humanity.

He tried to queue jump the Australian immigration process. 

he came to NZ on a 1 month visitors visa, having represented that he had been accepted for resettlement in USA. Obviously had no intention of leaving NZ, overstayed with the help of his Green friend and the government being selective about enforcing the law. 

Suggest you start a thread in Small talk if you want to continue this discussion

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^and yet, no outcry from any other party in the house.  

Its an irrelevance.  We have a quota - and its miserly (ironically even by comparison to our Tasman neighbours).  Any accepted refugee displaces another off the list, so its a zero-sum game.  Personally, I'm comfortable that we have taken an educated and published author and film-maker who has been employed here from the day he had legal ability to be in paid employment.

 

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1 hour ago, Knot Me... maybe said:

Actually it's not. He was invited here for the festival, that is correct. When he got here there was a wee whoha about it at which time he specifically said 'I'm here for the festival then leaving as per my visitors visa'. His sponsor, the Greens, swore black and blue he was he for the festival only and it was not an attempt to sneak in the back door or short cut any procress.

At the time a LOT of people called that bullshit, the greens are full of sh*t and lieing, most wise money said Gloria Wokie the green women was full of it just like writer dude. The greens and their pastys plus the dude deigned that vehemently.

Yet here we are and so is he.

The humanity or whatever aside, the greens lied, he lied and now NZ is stuck with him for better or worse.

What the Fark are you on next time you are seeking refugee status for being severely disconnected to reality I wish you all the best.

KM your endless bombastic belligerent bullshit really has dived to the pearly depths of idiocy.

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Just thought that to try and keep the thread on track, and perhaps add a little sanity, here's a reminder of the Kiwis who've completed a successful NW passage:
2000    Evohe (25m yacht)    Stephen Kafka
2009    Tyhina (10.4m yacht)    Peter Elliot
2010    Astral Express (12.5m yacht)    Graeme Kendall single handed over two seasons
2011    Kotuku (12m yacht)    Ian Douglass
2012    Tokimata (13m yacht)    Peter Garden
2017    Larissa (13.7m cutter)    Mark Domney
2017    Tiama (15.2m skoop)    Hank Haazen

Just to add Australia have had only 6 successes including 3 by Roger Wallis (Philos in 2012 and again 2014, then in 2017 on Abel Tasman).

Thus it's a very select group that Pete Evans will soon join.
In total 123 yachts have made a successful transit, the first of course was the Norweigian 21m yacht Gjøa captained by Roald Amundsen in 1903.  
About 30 of these had to winter over and so took two seasons.

The journey is arduous and fraught with danger. And the trip has brought many a dream to a cold and premature end.
I can appreciate the frustration that Pete Evans will have experienced, no doubt that included all manner of preparation and planning; not to ignore considerable expense.
We can agree here on this forum, I hope, to at least all wish him a safe and successful voyage.

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Does anyone know enough about what the NW passage is like this time of the year?? Will it be clear Ocean, or is it still mostly ice with the chance of a path through it or something like that?

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9 hours ago, Priscilla II said:

Going to bang on.

This team of five million that you KM show little or any constructive contribution to apart from your belated renaissance  into local body politics which you endlessly self glow with an inflated incandescent fervour that bears little of substance to reality when you example one refugee as you have done.

Walk a yard in this mans life come back to us and report.

Just to keep the sub-thread of this thread going, I've reported that to the moderator. That's an out and out personal attack, of which there is no place for around here.

And more to the point, what has this refugee sh*t got to do with sailing or the North West passage? Can you ladies take your hand bags down to smalltalk or even better the political talk sub section and have your cat fight down there?

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13 minutes ago, Tamure said:

Calm down fish and how about you stop? We dont need hall monitors to solve problems. That is not a personal attack he'll take it as a bloody compliment :) 

 

Facepalm. Just facepalm. ;-)

Wheels, based on Graeme Kendal's book, I'd expect some areas of clear water, but the substantial chance of lumpy bits (brash ice?) or the chance of getting iced in if you don't get through fast enough. It all depends on the weather systems at the time. Wind blows one way, you are fine, wind blows the other, and your channel can fill with ice overnight.

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42 minutes ago, wheels said:

Does anyone know enough about what the NW passage is like this time of the year?? Will it be clear Ocean, or is it still mostly ice with the chance of a path through it or something like that?

Vicariously, and from reading/watching, there's never a time when it's clear of ice during the July-Sept cruising season. The issue is the amount of ice and it's interaction with the wind. All sailors take advice and rely on forecasts form the Canadian Ice Service. 

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36 minutes ago, grantmc said:

Vicariously, and from reading/watching, there's never a time when it's clear of ice during the July-Sept cruising season. The issue is the amount of ice and it's interaction with the wind. All sailors take advice and rely on forecasts form the Canadian Ice Service. 

The challenge is always getting through Peel Sound with the risk of the wind driving ice down from the north.

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2 hours ago, grantmc said:

Just thought that to try and keep the thread on track, and perhaps add a little sanity, here's a reminder of the Kiwis who've completed a successful NW passage:
2000    Evohe (25m yacht)    Stephen Kafka
2009    Tyhina (10.4m yacht)    Peter Elliot
2010    Astral Express (12.5m yacht)    Graeme Kendall single handed over two seasons
2011    Kotuku (12m yacht)    Ian Douglass
2012    Tokimata (13m yacht)    Peter Garden
2017    Larissa (13.7m cutter)    Mark Domney
2017    Tiama (15.2m skoop)    Hank Haazen

Just to add Australia have had only 6 successes including 3 by Roger Wallis (Philos in 2012 and again 2014, then in 2017 on Abel Tasman).

Thus it's a very select group that Pete Evans will soon join.
In total 123 yachts have made a successful transit, the first of course was the Norweigian 21m yacht Gjøa captained by Roald Amundsen in 1903.  
About 30 of these had to winter over and so took two seasons.

The journey is arduous and fraught with danger. And the trip has brought many a dream to a cold and premature end.
I can appreciate the frustration that Pete Evans will have experienced, no doubt that included all manner of preparation and planning; not to ignore considerable expense.
We can agree here on this forum, I hope, to at least all wish him a safe and successful voyage.

This 2h video of a bunch of Kiwis doing the transit is a good Lockdown watch! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ80U5VZ5zM&t=1912s

Whats the the Histrory of this boat? It looks like a sistership to the Sylfia of the Expedition Drenched boat 

 

 

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