erice 732 Posted February 11, 2021 Share Posted February 11, 2021 PRADA Cup final races 1 & 2 Saturday 13 February 2021, 4:00 PM at course announced on morning of race day PRADA Cup final races 1 & 2 are on 13 February 2021. 3 & 4 are on 14 Feb, Sunday 16:12 FINAL – RACE 1 STARTS Luna Rossa Prada Pirelli vs INEOS TEAM UK Exact time will depend on weather conditions 17:12 FINAL – RACE 2 STARTS INEOS TEAM UK vs Luna Rossa Prada Pirelli Exact time will depend on weather conditions also it has been decided to leave the current upper wind limit at 21 knots for the Prada Cup Final and the Match and not increase it to 23 knots as originally specified in the Race Conditions. The lower wind limit of 6.5 knots remains unchanged. The Regatta Director, after consulting with the Challenger of Record and the Defender has also changed the Sailing Instructions for the PRADA Cup and the 36th America’s Cup Match as follows: 15’ RULE Similar to the rule that was used in round robins three and four of the PRADA CUP, a competitor may on one occasion ask for a delay of 15 minutes of the start of a race. https://www.americascup.com/en/news/1040_PRADA-CUP-FINAL-AND-36TH-AMERICAS-CUP-MATCH-AMENDED-RACE-CONDITIONS-AND-SAILING-INSTRUCTIONS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted February 12, 2021 Author Share Posted February 12, 2021 In the lead up to this weekend the forecasts had been suggesting very light conditions, now the picture looks better with slightly stronger north easterly breezes in store starting at around 8-11kts and building to 14kts by the end of the afternoon. Racing is anticipated to take place on Course A, out in the Hauraki Gulf. but race director Iain Murray admits there could be a delay with the first race due to light winds. The wind is predicted to be in the 8-11 knots range for the 4.15pm start time, before rising to 12-14 at 5.15 and about 14 for a 6pm start. Racing cannot start any later than 6pm. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,293 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Well, Prada's new rig and sails looks awesome. Looks like Anslie is really under pressure now. Any more rabbits in his hat???? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 the end of ineos shot their wad of mods to get to the prada cup final nothing left in tank can't sail in the light can't win in the medium Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 benny says they lost the 2nd, average winds, race because they were still carrying the big light air jib and it's the only thing he can change... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted February 13, 2021 Author Share Posted February 13, 2021 Plenty of wind awaits the Prada Cup finalists for races three and four today. Luna Rossa and Ineos Team UK will race on course E today with gusts of up to 18 knots expected. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 697 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, erice said: benny says they lost the 2nd, average winds, race because they were still carrying the big light air jib and it's the only thing he can change... Thought they changed jibs??might explain the horrible creases when released. Someone on the radio made a good suggestion.Seeing how the top end wind range has been capped why not increase the minimum range by 2 knots. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 697 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 Whats Ben got left in the tank?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 ben's on empty the team's on empty he and gile?'s dinghy sailing hasn't prepared them for match racing starts in high winds they may win a race or 2 but they'd never challenge etnz in the lighter stuff forecast for next month so it's best that.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 155 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 A number of my non-sailing friends have asked, "What is velocity made good ??" This short video by Nathan O. does a pretty good job of explaining it. But note that he does not actually define it . . I find that humorous. (Even more humorous from the geniuses at Wiki . . laughably wrong . . "Velocity made good, or VMG, is a term used in sailing, especially in yacht racing, indicating the speed of a sailboat towards (or from) the direction of the wind") Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 AJ we've just been told we're back into a level 3 lockdown a family cluster of 3, mum works at an airline food company so schools and shops basically closed from midnight and everyone asked to stay home like melbourne our 3rd lockdown rest of nz goes to level 2 kicks off 11.59pm tonight in 4 hours wonder if racing tomorrow will be cancelled tomorrow? no groups larger than 10 permitted will ineos get a covid reprieve to turn their boat around? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 697 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 No racing Wenesday Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 407 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 As a Course Marshell I was told at level three there would be racing but no spectator fleet so no stake boats required Haven’t heard officially yet but the levels and plan was set way back last year., but then again the one constant in the a whole event is change. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted February 14, 2021 Author Share Posted February 14, 2021 America's Cup 2021: Prada Cup final postponed due to Auckland Covid-19 lockdown https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/americas-cup-2021-prada-cup-final-postponed-due-to-auckland-covid-19-lockdown/ANCUCV24HCSICMG36FVKV66OXE/ ben's fully supportive of this safety move Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,103 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, erice said: ben's fully supportive of this safety move no doubt! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AJ Oliver 155 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 14 hours ago, AJ Oliver said: (Even more humorous from the geniuses at Wiki . . laughably wrong . . "Velocity made good, or VMG, is a term used in sailing, especially in yacht racing, indicating the speed of a sailboat towards (or from) the direction of the wind") OK, so that really is fractally wrong, but I don't want to beat up on Wiki too much. They provide a wealth of good information, and I admire their great volunteer spirit. (I think I owe it to them to give a polite head-up on the VMG thingy. I will do that.) And OK champs, lets help them out. how do YOU define VMG? Can you do it without reference to vectors ? Maybe a simple clear definition is not that easy after all . . From Lake Tahoe Sailing, this is better . . Velocity Made Good is a concept that combines your speed and direction towards a given waypoint to get you there as fast as possible. Any problem with that one . . ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MartinRF 65 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 "waypoint" may be too much for the uninitiated reader. I have no better suggestion. It is your language, not mine, after all. /Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,293 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 VMG can be the actual speed toward (or from wind) direction, or to (or from) a destination - which could be a mark, waypoint or other feature. It is the actual rate of progress directly towards (or away from) the reference point being used. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 530 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 In this sort of racing VMG is only useful in relation to wind direction. Otherwise you can't compare boats on opposite tacks and the minute a boat swaps side upwind or downwind of the mark the VMG figure swings Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 527 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 3 hours ago, AJ Oliver said: OK, so that really is fractally wrong, but I don't want to beat up on Wiki too much. There is no right or wrong answer to what is VMG, it's just which sailing circles you have been in and what they have called/defined it. Even in NZ I have heard both sides mentioned interchangeably - so long as you get the nomenclature defined onboard it isn't an issue. VMG is well established as towards/away from the wind. But it can equally mean towards/away from a given reference point depending on who you talk too. VMC (course) is well established as towards/away from a given reference point. But some sailors will say oh that's just VMG towards a waypoint, and a tactician might call this as "waypoint VMG is x.xknots". Instead of "VMC is x.xknots" If you are doing windward/leeward racing, then you would typically just call VMG all the time. If you're doing "harbour racing" then both values come into play - but VMC is more important. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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